Profile of HS King

Honestly I think they should rebuff the MG42 to what it was pre nerf. Then increase it´s cost to 360mp. Thus they can´t be spammed but do their job in a single spot.

Spamming mgs should never ever be a valid tactic - anyone doing so should be able to be wiped off the field in the first few mintues. If this tactic is working in game it means the game is broken, as if that happened in vcoh as a strat the game would be over after the first flank.

They need to fire up voch play it for 10 mins and then come back to coh2 and make mg42 exactly the same, they had it completely right before stop messing with things that arent broken, this is what happens when you try to make a simplified version of coh on dow2 engine....

2 thigns..

first if you are doing the beta and relic asks you not to discuss it then dont leak any info, its disrespectful, makes their job harder and makes the community look like brats.

Second I hope there are some meaningful changes in this update and so far it seems like there will be, this goes some ways to improving the game and restoring my faith in relic and the coh franchise. I am excited to see what it will bring

Threads like these are pointless.

Recent tournament showed "pros" can win with Soviets just as easy as the Germans.

+1

Post as much as you like, just two separate THREADS on the same thing/s in as many days seems to only be clogging up the forums and make the discussion of it harder to follow. I played VCoH for the last six months or so before the move to the Steam servers. It's the first online game I really got into (albeit at a low level) and I think it was/is a better game by the end than COH 2 currently is. I think there have been a couple of steps back, a couple forwards and a couple sideways in the changes between the two games.

AT nades are usually bought by the Soviets because they are borderline essential against Scout cars or FHTs. They do significantly delay the first T-70 or T-34 so if you can skip them (say, you're up against pure grenspam to P-IVs) and then buy them later in the game, it's not a bad idea to do so. Tell me, if Panzerfausts cost fuel would you say that of the Ostheer?

Roads make a pretty obvious difference for me playing with light vehicles. I can't tell if and how much that has actually changed from VCoH. In particular, this is why the Moscow Outskirts map is so good for light vehicles.

A panther has just slightly less than a 95% chance of penetrating an SU-85 frontally, FYI, which is where the AT difference really comes in. It doesn't conceivably cost three times as much, however you work out the teching costs...

I think even a P-IV has a 100% chance of penetrating an SU-85 from the rear. I believe it should take four shots for a Panther to kill or disable an SU-85. Obviously the penetration is even more of an advantage for it against more heavily armoured tanks, like the KV-8, KV-1 and IS-2. Again, while I agree with some of your points, many of them are directly contradicted by the stats and the game itself.

I appreciate your feedback, I am glad you got to experience coh as a game. I understand that the at nade is needed as is a faust.. but if the other changes got implemented into the game like im saying then stuff like only relying on at nade/faust would not be necessary as AT guns could do the bulk of early and mid game AT duties.

The fact is that soviets will usually have more cons then an ost player will have grens and its basically impossible to maneuver vehicles without running into a t0 unit which can and will disable its engine.

The huge difference between faust and at nade is that, with the faust its attached to a unit that has only 4 models and soviets get a lot of maneuverable and powerful at units, so in one or 2 shots you have to retreat for fear of annhiliation, soviets do not have to fear squads being wiped anywhere close to that. Therefore I would say a faust should come for free while at nades should come with a cost and I guess the devs thought so too on this one.

Im sorry that you feel that im clogging the forums but I think these discussions are different enough to warrant 2 threads and Id like to think Im contributing to the community with my posts. I dont care about small balance changes, but overall game and mechanics changes that everyone would love, even if they dont know it.

My aim is to make coh2 its own game, but make the basics feel as good as vcoh did, and even those that dont know better now would acknowledge that it was a change for the better.

The truth is I have put in many years into the games and i have a wealth of experience into what makes the games good or bad, even if im not the best player or currently not enjoy playing soviets as much as ost.

Nice try OP, but writing that Panthers struggle at killing Su-85 (from the back in peculiar) is a big exaggeration.

With the nerf that was imposed on Su-85, this unit is a slow near useless dead cow.
Any good German player can kill a Su-85 with a Panzer iv or a Panther now. Maybe you were just unlucky with that Panther...Too much random is another separate problem.

Shock troops nades can be powerful, but sometime they do nothing. (too random again)

For my point of view, the best nades in game are the Panzer grenadier's one and by far.

As a fun test try this :

Open a 4vs4 game, add 3 standard Germans cpus then add 3 hard soviets cpus.
Do nothing in game but watching. Who do you think will consistently ? Who get a bonus when a player drop in a 3vs3 or 4vs4 game...

Are the soviets harder to micromanage? i say yes for the computer and casual people like me.

Soviets side need dev's love a bit and more 3vs3/4vs4 maps !!!!

Hey by struggle I mean it takes a inordinate amount of time / shots to kill a su 85 with a flanking tank. Im sorry but if you get the drop an a SU85 you need to be rewarded with a quick kill ( just like a su 85 can do to a tank) so you can get out of there before you get at gunned/ at naded to death.

A panter or p4 can kill a su 85.. but they dont do it in way that reflects the advantages and disadvantages of units.. I get it a su 85 is the prime way to counter German armour cool, but thats when its at range and getting shots off. If it gets flanked it should be another story, speed is nerfed when sight ability is on so it taks one button and speed is out of control again, as is the health or armour as it take a crazy amount of shots from a flanking tank to take it out. Should be 3 shots 4 tops from the rear before its toast.

Watching tanks trying to take on su85 is no elegant that's for sure.

As for soviets being too hard to manage.. well i think its easier to actually micro the soviets ( less punishment if things go wrong/bigger margin of error due to cheaper units, and more units per squad ) most of the powerful units for sov as super easy to manage su85 just sit and retreat button, shocks just run at infantry, cons just molatov button, at guns barrage button, 120mm mortar just sit and then aimed fire when needed ect.

To eliminate german armour soviet just has to sit there basically, but to eliminate soviet at presence ost needs all kinds of crazy maneuvers and luck.

WHat is difficult with soviet is knowing what strategy to use, which tier ect and just being careful with understanding what is going on in the game, as ost is more flexible and enables you to make some strategic errors and still recover while as the soviets things aren't as easy.

As for the armies themselves I have no doubt that soviet is easier to micro by far, everything from snipers to at guns is much more durable and has spammable abilities one thing I ill concede is that I do tend to lost t34 a lot so that unit to me needs a bit of good micro as its just a lot weaker than a p4.