Fuck me, I don't think I have the words to pull this post off.
I agree with Bloodnok's post mostly but:
As for a degrading relationship with Relic, (especially considering the amazing generosity of the Relic hosting exercise in Vancouver), I would say many of the pros who felt they could take the cookies, then cut and run, have a hell of a lot to learn about loyalty, respect and commercial life. You have to take the rough with the smooth: I am certain you know that - it is a lesson you need to inpress upon the others.
THQ and Relic never asked for anything back when I dealt with them. I did my best to feed information to the community and write stuff and answer questions - that's why I was there, to hype up the game. Why should those expectations suddenly change? And I'm not a pro and I'm not a big COH1 personality. I'm just a big Relic fan. Granted I don't go around slating them on the forums, but I am highly critical - else how are they to get feedback or improve?
My loyalty to Relic has been tested to its utmost this past year, with COH2's difficulties. I can see they are struggling, that they are recovering and I think WA is a really good positive sign of how much things are improving.
However from my perspective, since SEGA took over Relic its been harder to communicate and channels tend to be more closed. It's one way. It's probably because most folks I spoke to at Relic or had on Steam left. There's no longer a THQLynx or Ruined, and instead poor Noun is left to run around doing all the work himself. I wish he'd respond to me more but I know he has a job to do and to him I'm just a random fan. I didn't get an invite to the Vancouver thing, and I didn't expect one - but its not the same sort of community atmosphere as I remember it. It's the only event that's been talked about for the last year. I remember when they happened every 6 months and we'd always have information flooding from somewhere.
But I also think that, while CieZ says they have responded well to feedback, that they still have soooo much more to do and distance to go. Free to play, Pay to win... how many times does that echo around when COH2 is brought up? Relic haven't done enough on this front IMO, and still have a lot to do. There isn't much more to say on this, but I think that its still a hangover. I still feel like they want COH2 to be a DLC machine, when it should be enriched with meaningful experiences. I personally hope Premium Commanders never come back. I'd love it if they made all the current ones free and removed them all from the store. But I know that won't happen.
Do you want to know why some of us come across angry and upset? Because we care. Yes yes positivity and all that, but we aren't all glass half full people. We aren't all gods of the micro. Stuff that doesn't go as planned upset us. We don't get Relic's ear, and we get scraps from the table - poorly written media articles (calling commanders commandos - jesus christ how)
Hell the whole COH2 collectors edition stuff just stank of the DOW2: Retribution DLC gaff only a couple of years ago. God damn official forums exploded, was a nightmare to moderate. It's like Relic learned nothing (granted there's no THQ around now whom would of "learned from this"). "Believe us, we are learning" they say, and yet there it was again. That shook my faith a lot. Fool me once... etc.
I just want to close saying it's hard to see any of what you say when we're not pros and not in alphas or betas. I'm not going to claim the masses are right - some of them clearly aren't. But hey, we have to be understanding and as Ami says - how can we be a united community if there's a load of hidden stuff? If we are all treated like children due to the action of a few?