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If you have about 500 ammo, you'll be able to drop enough 105 shells on an American base to level it or at least kill 3 buildings. All it takes is a puma to slip through the lines and pop a gg.
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Holy shit guys, L2P
The fuel increase is a result of ammo being 100%. You now must divert ammo to fuel. It forces you to use that ability.
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I think it's pretty clear that if we as a community want something, we just gotta bitch about it enough.
If we want pershings, we gotta tell Relic and tell them a lot, regardless of what they've said in the past.
People referencing what Relic has said in the past are living in the past. At the time maybe they thought the pershing wouldn't fit, but people often change their minds.
Except ignorant people who have a rigid version in their heads of how the factions MUST be, as though American versatility can't be applied to a heavy tank.
The OKW lack a medium tank, yet they can get a medium tank through doctrines. It's that simple. OKW are designed to not have a medium tank. But with the right doctrine, that's all upended, because the faction designs ARE NOT RIGID |
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Sounds about right. It would be slow and accelerate slowly.
A jumbo 75 would take out a P4 and a StuG, be about equal to a JP4 (or a little inferior in a straight up fight), and inferior to a panther.
Pak 40 wouldn't be too effective on paper, but in the game it can handle heavy tanks, as can the zis 3 and the 57mm. |
Tank on tank combat was precisely what the Jumbo crews were expecting.
Not true at all. The Jumbo was made to lead columns, draw AT fire, and assault positions. It was NOT made for tank to tank combat. The 76mm sherman was a stopgag for tank to tank combat and the Easy 8 was an all around tank. The 76mm Jumbo could be thought of as an uparmored Easy 8, but we're not discussing the 76 on the Jumbo.
Anyways, source it
The jumbo would be similar to the 105 sherman with 2 key differences. 1 is worse gun. 2 is much stronger armor |
I don't understand why so many of you are saying the devs aren't into supplying the Pershing. What about the US Forces in CoH2 is different than that of vCoH? Well, their base mechanics and how they tech is ultimately very different, but does that constitute that they shouldn't get a heavy in CoH2 because they certainly had one in vCoH. So they initially gave off the notion that they aren't planning on putting a heavy into the game for the US, that doesn't immediately say "No, there will never be one" to me.
Look at the tank variety they had in vCoH. Why is it so hard to imagine that they may add more things like that in the future. Do you really think that they are going to keep the same structure for the US for the rest of the this game's life?
I understand it may be months down the line, but many of you guys simply believe US would never get a heavy, or at least some type of variety in their armor platform. To me, if they kept the same armor arsenal that they have now, with only adding commanders that offered no real variety in terms of armor support, it would become a pretty bland faction, pretty quickly.
I'm just looking at this from an entertainment standpoint. So they want to maintain the "mobility" of the US Forces. Adding one commander that utilizes a strong, slow-moving force doesn't automatically negate that goal. The US is still the most mobile faction, they just have other avenues they can pursue (i.e. a Pershing commander) if they so choose.
Finally a well thought out voice of reason |
Like i was going to let you off suggesting that.
Jumbo isnt crap. Why are you portraying it as that? It is meant to do many things. Its still a sherman. Just... why?
Easy 8 is nearly the panther's match. Good armor, amazing AI, great penetration, and the most important of all: RoF. That alone scares the panther.
Those suggestions... arent well thought out. Thats why I disagree and you rambling on isnt doing anything.
Also, your description of the "Jumbo" seems to be very similar to the current 105 sherman - thatll do.
Who said the Jumbo was crap? I didn't. It's an assault tank not meant for tank on tank.
Panthers should be scared of Easy 8s but Easy 8s should be more scared of panthers. Fair? Panther is superior. Indeed my thoughts aren't well thought out. Your point? |
You are kidding, right? Are we even playing the same game? The E8 runs over raketenwerfers, and challenges the panther. It also demolishes the rest. You are saying that the Sherman jumbo, a sherman that would have a 76 mm gun, and even more armor than the e8 would have a problem with panthers and raketenwerfers? Sure. I was imagining it costing 190-230 fuel because of how tough it would be.
75mm Shermans are ONLY in T4. What you said about the upgrade requirement didnt have to be written. It would be a staple because you are making the standard tank badass. You fit 3 amazing aspects in one commander, when divided they can make 3 unique commanders. One commander being 76 shermans, one involving jumbos, and one, if Relic lies, the Pershing. But the Pershing did nothing for the war. Shermans deserve the spotlight. There are still a-ways to do with Shermans, and they provide more support to the overall theme of the faction.
A 75mm Jumbo (or the lack of the 76mm cannon on one) kind of sounds lackluster and reminds me of the 105 m4 sherman... why settle for less, sherman-wise, when you can have a battle tank capable of taking on heavies?
I was responding to multiple people. Thanks for the cherry picking.
Anyways, a commander with the jumbo 75 and later the jumbo 76 as the final call in might be better then. 76mm shermans would be balanced with a high cost.
But in my original build, there is no 76mm Jumbo Sherman. I have no clue where you got that from. It would be a 75mm Jumbo that could deflect most shots but would have sherman 75 (bad) penetration itself. A rakten probably would get rolled because it couldn't put out enough DPS. A panther would bounce every shot it takes, but pen have the shots it dishes out. The Jumbo 75 is like a KV1. It's not meant to fight heavy tanks. It's meant to soak ATG and crush infantry
The Easy 8 is still inferior to the panther remember. It's a good all around tank, but nothing special. It just seems special because it's the best the USA has |
The 76mm Sherman is a very effective vehicle in the Soviet faction, I imagine this would hold true in the American faction as well. 76mm Shermans should be the staple of a Commander, not a 'filler' ability like you claim.
The claim to fame for the Jumbo Sherman was it's armour, why do you want the armour to be weak? The Jumbo, like the 76mm, would be another staple ability. It's strength would be his armour, and possibly a 76mm gun.
The M26 Pershing in this case would have to be the staple of this doctrine. Everything in the doctrine would be a lead-up to this unit. The unit would likely be weaker than the Tiger or IS-2 to make up for the fact that the US Faction comes with the M36 Jackson.
I don't have replacement suggestions, but I could tell you this wouldn't work. Rather, all 3 of these would do better in separate doctrines. One with 76mm Shermans, one with Sherman Assault Tanks, and one with the M26. Personally, I feel like the M4A3E2 Assault Tank could easily fill the role that M26 sequesters want, without breaking the faction rule of "No Heavy Tanks".
Um, the Jumbo historically could be penned by panthers, raktens, ect. It will be almost impervious though to stugs and P4s
76mm upgrade requires you to go T4 to get the 75mm shermans to upgrade. 76 shermans can be a staple or a filler. Who says they have to be one or the other just because they're a staple with Soviets? |
Did i list OKW? NO.
There was a real discussion arguing of the lack of teching soviet players are able to do into call in tanks.
Soviet t2 provides a mortar, a mg, and a AT gun.
I said USF can exploit both T1 and T2 to do the same. People are doing it with the E8, it isnt that hard at all.
Ostheer refuses to tech to t4, barely investing in t3, if at all, and instead getting Tiger.
I was using OKW to make my point, not refute yours.
Anyways, E8 comes at 9 CP. Of course you can delay for it.
Ostheer and Soviet are different faction design. They can get away with doing that. I'm at 9 CP, needing 3 more, and I'm fighting panthers with 57s and zooks. Good luck rofl walking stuka |
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