Profile of The Dave

I think the game still has a lot of potential to be good and Relic have been in this position before with a lot of players dropping out/not playing the game in vcoh. It was their continued support of vCoH that kept people coming back and playing and new people buying the game and they are more than capable of recognizing their mistakes with CoH2 and making changes accordingly.

From a players point of view though, you don't have to get angry about coh2 if you don't like it currently, just leave and play something else there are plenty more fun games out there to play and a lot of good ones are free on steam too. You don't have to endure CoH2 now if you think it's not fun, simply don't buy the micro transactions online and if the game is still not fun when the expansion comes around don't buy it.

Oh come on Joel...

You and I both know that what sparked a revitalization in the COH franchise was not "support". A good 1/3-1/2 of the entire community left prior to or immediately after ToV/OF was released. Yes, new players were added to the game as well. This was in no way due to Relic's support of the game but an expansion of the franchise designed to produce capital.

Let's call it what it is. Support does not = DLC or Expansion. That isn't "support". I call "support" when my cable service goes out. I don't call it because I'm bored with my TV or bored with NBC's lineup. Support implies help. It implies that something is wrong, and the company is going to help fix the problem. In this game, Balance/technical issues all fall under "support" and so far, this game hasn't been supported, at least properly. DLCs/Expansions do not fall under support. They fall under an entirely different category - like upgrading to a home DVR or something. Except, in this distorted analogy, I have to have the DVR in order to watch cable TV. Saying - Oh...just wait it out...come back 2 years from now might sound like a good idea to you. You got the game for free after all. Some people paid 100 bucks on a pre-order CE and are now being asked for more money.

If we want Relic to respect us and listen to our grievances, we should at least appear like one tight group of people with the desire to improve the game in a civilized manner.

You assume that they respect us/want to respect us. I have not seen any sort of respect (besides the general community lip service and rhetoric used to sell DLC). What I have seen is what essentially amounts to extortion.

Same problem.

I have read through these pages with interest. The phrase "The view was better from the plane" comes to mind, as I try to envision (dread word)the mindset of many of those who landed in Vancouver, on a guest pass,fully paid.

I highly doubt if many of those who visited Relic (with apparent relish) will receive a return invite. What is the point of feeding the hand which bites you? Would you,as an CM, like to answer to the SEGA CEO (or his minions) and say why?

You might argue that it is better to have the disentitled in the tent pissing out,rather than on the outside pissing in. But many of the disentitledd seem already to have made their own choice.

There is a discipline lacking on this site. It is a site apparently set up to support CoH2. Very well then. Let it ostensibly be so.

I fully accept that behind the scenes,there may well be representations about the evolution of CoH2. But I do not want to come here and resd incessant negative bleatings from the disentitled. I do not want this site to be used to perpetuate a self-seeking minority oligarchy. That is what CoH2 set out to dissemble. If you did not understand that,then you read the pre-blurb with rose-tinted spectacles.

I have always understood it to be that CoH wanted a wider player base, which was not so inhibiting for a novice to master. In this way, Relic,as a non-charitable institution, might seek to profit (in a way that the original game never apparently did) and keep its new game alive(and its studio), with balance patching based on new sales of skins, commanders etc

It therefore makes no commercial sense at all, to me, that some here on this forum and recommend the destruction of CoH2, believing in their wildest dreams that the powers-that -be will revert to vCoH and produce a further patch. You think I talk nonsense? OK then.

Tell me,if you reply, how SEGA/Relic will make any money at all by scrapping CoH2 and patching vCoH. It is a pipe dream, nothing more. . Unless, ofc, you advocate making people pay for the new patch for vCoH, by refusing them entry to vCoH unless they pay. Can you hear the howls of (mostly) North American anguish?

" I paid 50 bucks for this game. I aint paying no more"

" This game aint FTP. I paid $50.00 6 years ago. I expect full support, for free, till the day I drop"

In your wildest dreams!

Put simply, (for the simplest): you will not be able to continue your muscling. You either accept reality,muscle down,accept the bad with the smooth and await a good outcome
(which will come) and tone down your acerbic comments. or else push the game to the point of no-return and lose the whole damned lot.

Are you that nihilist? Some of you, I regret,may be so

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read on the board. More disturbingly so because it appears to be written by someone of some sort of educational level and intelligence. The major gripe has never been just DLC. I can wholeheartedly say that I would have no problem shelling out money for DLC if it was A. balanced and B. released into an existing framework that justified its content. Case and point, I bought both ToV and OF because I actually wanted to support the company (Relic) and the series. At this time, I will now NEVER buy another Relic product. That could change. Nothing lasts forever after all.

You babble on about Relic not being a charity. So? Consumers are entitled to their opinion. This business model sucks. Look at the number of players online comparable to CoH's. The proof is right there. At the end of the day, I want to actually find an opponent. 2v2s in Primetime EST (it's not Summer any more so there's no excuse) are taking over 10 minutes to find a match. I'd say half of those opponents are now laggy Koreans. It's fine that they're Korean, but if I'm forced to play P2P games, I'd rather feel like my mouse clicks aren't actually traveling across the world. The input lag is bad enough already.

Further, I will repeat for the 100th time for you since apparently people out there STILL don't get it. It isn't about the DLC. It's that you're asking me to purchase DLC at 5 dollars a commander when:

1. I actually have to purchase the DLC to compete. Soviet Industry guarantees a certain amount of wins. You may not win every time, but it guarantees that you will win more than you used to, simply by purchasing it. The same goes for the Tiger Ace doctrine/Instant Vet3. If you are an opponent and playing against these two, your chances to win significantly decrease. Saying "we're looking into it," is not a response that anyone wants to hear...over...and over...and over again. All the while, we wait with baited breath and low hope. It's cyclical. It's become so commonplace that people actually get frustrated now - "guys, this is scheduled to be looked at. It's on the agenda." Thanks? If I wanted to get fucked, I'd look at something prettier. It feels like that quote is some sort of macro button on someone's keyboard. What is misguided here is that Relic has received money for this transaction. People have won and lost games simply because of the coin in their pocket and NOT skill (skill, by definition makes a "game" valid in the first place), and subsequently the player base has diminished. Those who are left have a bad taste in their mouth for future DLCs and community morale is at an all time low for the series. Not what you want for an RTS game looking to expand in its now 4th month or so in existence - compared to the 6+ year life of the first game.

2. You're asking (some might say "forcing") me to purchase DLC when there are features STILL missing from the original game that actually increase player longevity. There is no "in game" community and by that I mean that there is no way for anyone who plays the game to converse with anyone about the game save for the community sites and some awful (JUST AWFUL) piss poor in game chat "box" that looks like something the original mIRC people rejected back in the 1990s. The leaderboards? Oh that's a cute link that goes to a Steam page where the top player in the game atm is some guy named "Vinnie Jones" or something. Why's he number 1? Doesn't say. It simply says he's lvl 100. Why play this game over others that have leaderboards that show player progression? There are NO public lobbies. If you want to play High Resources, annihilation on the campiest map in the game there is nothing for you. Would I prefer that? No. I'd rather slam my dong in a sliding glass door, but some people would. Some people did it OVER, and OVER, and OVER again. Those people are potential DLC buyers as well - a way for Relic to expand their business by creating a broader player-base. These things may seem trivial to some, but they are key to the game's longevity. Scheldt annihilate players are probably STILL playing COH.

If you want to implement a DLC model into an existing game that has all the kinks pretty much worked out, fine. I bet you'd have success. This game has more kinks than an S&M convention, and Relic is constantly asking the playerbase to give them money to add more kinks and make more of a mess. This model will simply not work, and to be perfectly honest it shouldn't work. If it does, then shame on the consumer because you have been fooled terribly.

The complaints are necessary to vent frustration but also express hope that Relic will wake up and make significant changes to the franchise. Is there some misguided venting? You bet, but to further pacify the actions of this company is to deny any hope for a better COH future. Video games are one of the only cultural enterprises that are organic. They can be molded into something better. If you can't see that and the inherent need for that in this game then you shouldn't be visiting a community site for it in the first place, and that goes for you Bloodnok, other people reading this, and the Relic officials that frequent this space.

% of RTS player numbers are at an historical all-time low b/c strategy games are unintuitive (i.e hard) by definition. if i was after big money in video games i would make another WoW expansion. to answer your question, not many people will play coh2 in a year but no one makes an RTS game and seriously expects 12 million players on their servers. therefore, op, your number comparisons kinda miss reality. making strategy games already is almost exclusively for that warm fuzzy feelings in your heart that someone, somewhere in this galaxy actually cares about your work.

i would not be too surprised if we see relic's take on LoL in the next 1-3 years.

They tried some sort of hybrid LoL and WoW with COHnline - epic fail.