Profile of Pip

It's a simple matter of design. Some units are only healthy to have them as meme units as long as their retain some part of it's original design (1 shot 1 kill or heavy cheese).

Demos, goliaths, B4, AVRE, ST, Radio silence/Spy network, Air supremacy, Artillery Cover, FHQ, Close the pocket, M8 Canister shell have always fall in this group.

I mean, sure, but there's no real need to have them retain such heavy cheese or oneshot ability. The Goliath, for example, could easily be rebalanced to be much cheaper/harder to detect, but act as a regular mine (Albeit one that's mobile) while still retaining it's flavour. "Instakills the enemy or does nothing" isnt a particularly good bit of flavour to maintain, at least in my opinion, especially when it holds an unit back from actually being usable in most games.

coh pro can go play sc2 if thats the salary they are chasing. dont matter to me. does it affect you? /shrugs.

im sure the next 50 down will provide the same entertainment, and less anal about randonmess.

as someone mentioned, this balance discussion has become arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

there is a lot of ideas brought up.

ultimately, randomness, mgc and abandon are mechanics of coh2. it is up to sega relic where to next. there are 7000 active players, im sure they can put out a vote to keep or delete this. there is no reason why a few forum members get to dictate the core mechanics.

The Balance isnt a democracy. The Balance team gets the final say on this, not "7000 active players".

Your assessment, by the way, is entirely meaningless then, given that you're inexplicably trying to compare the incomparable. Football isnt a videogame, and it isnt popular because it's "random", it's popular because it's an ancient, and widespread game that's been in cultural view for hundreds of years.

There is intentionally as little randomness as possible in Football, incidentally. The Football itself is engineered to be aerodynamic and fly in a predictable arc, and scoring is based on how many goals your team scores. You don't randomly get between 0.5-4 "goals" every time you kick the ball between the posts, nor does the field have concealed holes for players to fall down into, or random obstacles placed before the game. Your example doesn't even follow your argument.

CoH2 isnt popular because it doesn't get prize money/marketing efforts due to the fact most pro players/teams won't waste their time training for a game in which they might lose a tournament due to RNG, rather than because they played well.

Non pro players also get frustrated by RNG and poor balance such as this and leave the game as well.

You realise it isnt just "hulk" who doesn't like RNG Abandons and MGC, right? It's pretty much any pro (Or even just decent) CoH2 player.

Don't bother with dmg stats. They are bugged beyond fix.


Zis gun is fine. I do think that the barrage should be priced accordingly but any nerf should be paired with buffs towards other areas. For ex: i think mortars are due to have a vet improvement and slight cost adjustments.

It's unit kill/loss stats that are bugged, not Damage stats, isnt it? I still don't think they're relevant for a balance discussion, but as far as I was aware, the Damage statistics weren't inaccurate, just completely misleading due to how "damage" and "health" are so different in meaning between Infantry and Vehicles.

I agree completely, but for lack of changing automatch abandon immediately, I'm glad the tournament mod exists for tournaments atleast until it gets changed.

Its definitely good that they've GOT a separate balance patch for Tournaments at the moment, but I do hope Sanders and the other Balans guys bite the bullet and either remove Abandon/MGC from Automatch's patch (or rework them to be less pointlessly random) sooner rather than later.

While I agree Abandon should be changed, Automatch and Tournaments are two very different situations that require different solutions since the former is more of an "oh well that sucks, next game" situation, while a tournament abandon can result in you being defeated and out of the tournament entirely.

Quite frankly in automatch I get annoyed at abandon when it happens (hence why I want it changed), in a tournament I would probably never play the game again if it went against me because that's some bullshit of the highest magnitude and I wouldn't trust in the sanctity of the game anymore.

Honestly Tournament and Automatch should be using the same balance patches, which should be the one tailored for "Tournament mode". It doesn't make sense for the game to change between the two "modes", and it makes things even less consistent.