depends how much you value the mid and close range DPS increase as well as not losing the majority of your DPS on the move. IMHO the latest ML tourney showed pretty convincingly that they can work very well indeed if you know how to use them.
I cant say anything about post patch gren g43's. haven't really seen em or used em, just saying what they'r like now. |
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yo, an Idea for Assault Grens. At T3 give them a second alternate upgrade. This gives them smoke(replaces sprint) and 2 stormtrooper mp40's for 70 munis. |
Really? That's even better!
G43's are totally pointless. Even with these Penals and Rifles will win against you so will 5-man sections and 7-man cons. Who all pretty much gobstomp regular grens from long range and with vet even vet3 g43 grens from every range. Your better off with lmg42's. |
Not really when all other mainline infantry post upgrades dwarves this cost.
so 300 man penal and 4-man sections dwarf their this cost. |
But theyre being given a survivability buff with the upgrade. And G43s on Grens sacrifice a bit of long range power for improved rate of fire due to being semi auto and stronger medium and close range power
They don't sacrifice any long range power m8. |
Well then, do the calculation or whatever you like. Conscripts are not very MP efficient against upgraded Axis squads before their upgrade. On top of that, a Soviet Conscript build generates a lack of MP in the early to mid phase, leading to a very MP starved faction until you get MR and vet3 on your Conscripts. Soviet tech is way more expensive than Axis's tech regarding MP.
Then I wonder why there are con builds so popular if that was the case. Surely con penal Hybrid builds would be prevalent if with now the earlier timing of t70 back teching to t2 shouldn't really be an issue. |
Conscripts bleed heavily when Axis upgrade their infantry until you can upgrade Conscripts with MR. They are cheap to reinforce, but also come with high RA.
I guess soviets have no way to actually fight the axis besides just charging infantry. |
Just some data regarding the VSL upgrade:
Compared to the "old" version, VSL Grens lost a 10% RA modifier (=10% less EHP), gained approx 5% more static damage (-1 to +10% depending on range and vet status, strongest gain at mid ranges with about equal short and long range) and lost between 15-25% moving DPS (15% mid to long range, 25% short range).
They were clearly nerfed, but keep in mind that they were basically THE meta before the nerf and very strong against all other main line infantry.
I mean 270mp+60muni Shouldn't be strong vs all other mainline infantry??? |
German Infantry is still a popular commander in automatch, and when we asked the top players almost all of them agreed the upgrade is fine as it is now.
what do you mean by Fine. Fine as they are Not OP or Fine as in they are viable alternative to LMG 42(cause they are not) |
Maybe because Conscripts have to wait until T4, bleeding like stuffed pigs unlike Obers which come at at T4 and directly start owning allied infantry. You are clearly biased about the Allies and the balance team.
Sure, You do realize that cons are cheap to both purchase and reinforce right. Unless you play like a moron you should not bleed. |
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