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Thread: new meta 29 Dec 2020, 05:01 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 04:24 AMSpoof Comet's anti-infantry is really RNG. Once it wiped one of my full-health 4 model vetted up Ober squads with a single shot. Bad luck for you then, they must have bunched up quite badly. I had 5 man section one shot by p4 before, In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback29 Dec 2020, 04:56 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2020, 04:00 AMClarity It would be nice if Tommies at least had to pay a munitions cost to upgrade Bolster on each squad, I get you have to pay 150 mp and 35 fuel but British Tier 1 tech is only 30 fuel so it standardizes their tech costs in line with the other factions in the game. Make it 30-40 muni to upgrade so if you want a double equipped Tommy Squad that can heal on the frontline you have to make a significant munitions investment which should at least cost more than double equipping Riflemen since they don't get the same cover bonus. I think that could help tone down Tommy spam a bit since you rarely see people going 4 Riflemen but 4 Tommies is standard. Especially with Brits not needing medical supplies on every squad now since the Medics were buffed to perform AOE healing like the ambo. I would be ok with the medics being made 2 pop cap to mimic the pop cap of the Ambo. Per squad upgrade is easier to balance but only if the bolster tech itself become cheaper, which isnt going to happens. I believe The most reasonable change will be make pyro and medic section upgrade take up 1 weapons slot each, with pyro add a scope rifle and medic upgrade cost back to 30. With that, no change is needed with bolster tech, 5 man double bren is still possible but without any utilities while pyro/medic offer new flavor and require more consider before upgrade. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback23 Dec 2020, 13:53 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 13:31 PMVipper I live the are build in T1 and heavy sapper have moving penalty both changes are a huge buff to them. apart from the moving speed debuff, all other stat is the same, meaning the EHP and dmg output is the same, and in live they dont create any issues/complain about combat performance with 3 lmg setup. Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 13:31 PMVipper The upgrade at 60 mu for repair speed, weapons and armor is one of the cheapest upgrade in game. The repair is on par with other engie, and the combat performance of it ALONE is nothing special. Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 13:31 PMVipper Comet/Churchill are separate issues. the tech path to get to heavy engineer is related. Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 13:31 PMVipper In the preview there are no real drawback in getting the upgrade and still remain a badly desing upgrade. The unit perform above it cost and role with heavy Sapper upgrade alone, it does need any other weapons upgrades, that 3 weapons option is simply the icing on the cake. and what exactly match up that a heavy sapper with an vicker K alone can stand up for ? The upgrade alone provide a solid combo, but doesnt dis out any thing special COMBAT-WISE (as you mostly concern about their combat capable), and if more weapon upgrads are stacked up, the cost kick in and is a drawback. i will make it clear, being badly designed and being broken/OP are two difference thing that you are trying to mix up when picking up my line and assuming that we share opinion. And, you are deflecting away from the part that you have to provide your replay on testing that prove the OP in heavy sapper 3 lmgs combat performance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback23 Dec 2020, 13:23 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 11:11 AMVipper Comparing DPS without durability means very little. and all you have said about them uptill then was EHP Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 11:11 AMVipper I suggest you test them (as I have) vs other units and see how well the perform. i suggest you actually use them in live game to get a grip of what they are now, then may be provide some replay of your "tests"? a couple of k dmg again AI or some win on empty test map mean very little. Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 11:11 AMVipper There are no drawbacks to the Heavy sapper upgrade. a ton of munition for a mediocer performance and locking out the comet isnt "drawbacks", sure, im done with this. Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 11:11 AMVipper Even the fact that you are comparing a durable engineer unit with a "glass cannon" main line infatry is indication that they punch above the role. there are nothing wrong with the fact that an unit can punch above there weight with that kind of invesment, i pay triple the amount of munition to get similar lever of performance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback23 Dec 2020, 10:23 AM at range 35, sapper can deal 21.304 dps with 2 bren guns and a vicker k, or 23.004 dps with 3 vicker K setup. That is roughly close to a vet3 mg 42 grenadier - 23.698 - which often come before that timing, while require 2.5 to 3 time of munition cost and a latest tech that lock out an other actual meta unit. i said before that this isnt a good design, but what exactly is OP about it, consider all the cost and drawback ? If heavy sapper 3 lmg's commbat capable can be call "strong" to the point of Op then i guess all the wining about lmg42 grenadier can shut the **** up by now. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback23 Dec 2020, 03:30 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2020, 03:28 AMCrecer13 Yeah, apparently there are no balls. This is the fourth iteration of a silly and unnecessary ram change. they backpedal out of changing section upgrade system, too. After all, the chance to get meaningful work on certain issues is being wasted. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] USF Feedback23 Dec 2020, 03:28 AM i dont see the point of transfer officer ? There are little reason for one to remove a powerful fighting unit like officers, especially when there is no refund. If the aim is to reduce micro tax and pop strain with by reduce number of unit type active at the same time then just make unlock building nolonger spwan officer but instead give the ability to deploy the officer for free the fist time if wanted (if lost, then one have to buy them at current cost). By doing this, once teched, player can chose to deploy the officer or not. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback23 Dec 2020, 03:16 AM the only issue with sapper i can think of now is that heavy sapper PIAT blob with 5 man, armour and heat grenades is viable. The fix is simple yet being denied, give them a rifle like CE and let heavy engineer take up a slot or remove the vicker k and make it 30 muni. A rifle is way more fitting into the vet of sapper than current smg, and the way it work make that fully upgrade heavy engineer only have 1 or 2 smg to get benefit from the vet on top of an odd requirement for an smg unit - being in cover. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback22 Dec 2020, 17:30 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2020, 17:20 PMgeneral_gawain Sneak your sniper to the Howitzer. Man you are good ;-) If the sniper can get in and make it back alive then this guy must be something else, i mean a whole difference lever from us. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback22 Dec 2020, 04:55 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2020, 22:00 PMDescolata Now THAT would be neat. Crutching on snipers is the worst, especially with new changes. A review of pop costs may be needed as 2 engineers will be a bare minimum. If given one, Ro.E rifle should be just like CE in term of performance. And if the UC can be allowed to capture point (with a fuels cost), the 1.25 capture rate maybe nolonger needed. For the sniper, the change seem to affect UKF the most, since he fire slowest, so the micro tax one have to pay for an UK sniper and a spotting squad is not reward enough, on top of that, the critical shot become more difficult to use since a spotter is needed before vet 2. I thing it this is a good time to consider give the UKF sniper a proper sniper rifle. The weapons itself - Sniper lee enfield rifle - already exist. The critical shot ability may just bugger off since there are enough complaint about it already and snare has become more accessible. The ability to call in base arty is unique enough, rate of fire can be between soviet and ost sniper. In: COH2 Balance