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A blod becomes a bigger problem when it combines both AI and AT is one unit type. I suggested you test in game and we can debate it later.

please read the end of my post. I simply dont have anything to debate. But when you are at it, you did the test with AI or player, i wonder ?

The "new" raid IS have no penalties out of cover...


Any idea what the AI is of 3 AT PF?

They are AT squad, what is the point of compare AI ?

The Raid section can only equip 1 PIAT
And a raid section with a PIAT will simply not cost effective in both AI and AT. And why go for 4 raid section with piat when a pair of sapper can carry the same amount of firepower + snare at much cheaper in both MP and MU?

Blobbing 4 raid section with Piat wont provide enough of AT, they dont have snare and dont sprint in combat so no way to chase and finish off. The alpha strike of 4 PIAT will at best scare off a P4 and at the end their AI become lackluster, leaving you with a bunch of squad who cant do anything good.


It is like setup rifle with 1 bar and 1 bazooka, no one do that because it is not effective.

But still, let not go further into this. Since, after all, the upgrade being unhealthy is something we both see.

The stacking should be removed in a quick fix with the Raid package shortly.

It should be redesigned. Event the name of the upgrade feel off. I mean, "Raid section" make me think of a assault squad, but then you give them a scope rifle with long range profile ? The scope rifle should be somewhat on a recon/light infantry squad, and there was already pyrotechnics supplies with description said that it giving "field optics". Verry overlapping and off.

An other option can be moving the sight bouns from pyrotechnics to the raid section, edit the description of pyro and allow both upgrade to be buy on one squad, with each take a weapon slot. So a section with scope rifle and arty can be set up but at the cost of no weapon upgrade.

When stack up with "raid operations" or "assault", the capture rate and sprinting speed of new raid section is really intense.

As an UKF main, i will gladly take it, but at the same time i have to say it not feeling right. The game should not be around blobbing but raid section is like designed to be blob hard with passive sprint, quick cap and no debuff out of cover. I can already came up with 4 raid section into bolster into AEC built by now.

Dont get me wrong, i welcome the reintroduce of scope lee enfield, but current design is very poor and unhealthy.

Give it G43 profile and put it in pyrotechnics supplies with the capping bouns for 45muni and 1 slot. That is enough. Dont create solution for a non-exis issue (section long range fight), instead, focus on the actual problem. By putting the scope rifle in pyrotechnics, you can offer a decent mobile fighting unit (which UKF lack), return the capping power and at the same time add a trade off to pyrotechnics itself and more depth into chosing upgrade for section.

I dont see the need of Raid section as a separate upgrade. With the current setup - scope enfield, cap bouns... - why dont just put them in the pyrotechnics supplies upgrade ? And bring back the "recon section" fron vcoh. The pyrotechnics as currently be already say thet they get "field optics" and have a sight range bonus. Putting the scope lee enfield there make a lot more sense.

Suggestion:

Pyrotechnics supplies => Recon section.
Available without platoon CP for 45 muni ( as now.
Upgrade add: a scope enfield (take up 1 slot), 1.25 cap rate, sight bouns (already been in pyrotechnics), and remove cover mechanic. The artillery flare still require at least 1 building.


Further suggestion:
- Trench, sandbags. Caches and event emplacements (commander) can be removed from recon section, as they are now play light infantry role.
- The patch note dont state the moving profile of the new scope enfield. But make it long range oriented is not needed, too. Long range fight was never a weakness of section. The new scope enfield should improve what they not originally good at, namely moving. The new upgrade already remove the out of cover debuff, so give the scope enfield a G43-like profile would be better.

- while you already put three separate upgrades on section, why not just implement the section rework ideal of Mr. Someguy. Like, the pyrotechnics supplies can be change like i suggest above, the medic section now add an smg to take up 1 slot, and the current "raid section" change to something like "entrenching, tools", improve the build time for sandbags and trech.
- The section upgrade system would now look something like:
+ Recon section: Take 1 slot, add a scope enfield, capping and sights bouns. Removed sandbags and trench.
+ Field medic: Take 1 slot and add healing ability.
+ Entrenching tools: Improve building speed.