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If the churchill stay the same as it is right now (not like in the patch preview), a limit of two is acceptable to me.
At the same time, add some limit to panther cause fuk panther spam. |
Wehr late game just suck and dont scale well. 1 Elefant cant stop Churchill spam.
Wehr doesnt get P47 or Armor overwatch and that UKF one. Their stuka air strike is less damaging.
Bascially Panther should at least put a good fight against Churchill. But it doesnt
Simply now AT Gun or TD zone out Panthers for Churchill push.
Makes no sense Churchill can hit Panther for same 160 damage due to Panther poor rear armor. If you watch the KV1 hull down vs Panther. 100 pen vs 260 armor, and it was ugly for Panther. Showing some stats are better than others.
Range > Armor.
USF,UKF,Sov have strong TD vet bonus.
Panther gets inconseqential armor skirts at current values.
Like i said, rebalance Panther armor so that it decrease rear armor pen from non-TD non-premium med at max range. Give Panther a moving accuracy vet.
Now, this is the UKF thread, since there are not many people who actually care about the faction, please crying about panther un others thread. |
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And i'm proposing decrease churchill's AT capable so it can no longer be spam as you can see.
At the same time, by anyway, takings away churchill's durability will prevent it from doing the only jod it good at, the job that it's designed for and i'm strongly against that.
Please take a look at my ideas above. |
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By the way, with that logic, there is actually no real counter for panther spam :v |
The absurd amount of tankyness or its decent penetration needs to go down. There is actually no real counter to churchill spam. Why ? Lets have a look.
>ATG spam -> Gets 2 shotted
>Panzergren/Panzerfusi x2 schreck spam -> Churchill is here to counter infantry so this doesn't work either
>Panther spam -> Probably the best option but still too costly and ineffective
>Heavies -> Goodluck with your limited to 1 Tiger Ace trying to be the hero
Seem like L2P issue to me since you dont know what is the meaning of "combine arms".
Spam only 1 unit and expect it to work? I dont think so. Event churchill cant wotk without at least proper AT support.
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Add a limit of 2 to the Churchill, add a limit of 2 to the Panther.
Problem solved.
While i'm totally fine with this, i'm not sure how panther spammers will react, LOL. Still, add a fix limit to everything is not a solution. |
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Historically, Churchill "close support" is fitted with 94mm howitzer to fire mainly HE and smoke shell. |
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Furthermore, i'm thinking of some upgrade like "close support tank" for the churchill, give it HE shell with Sherman's HE profile. Basically turn the churchill into an anti infantry specialist but no longer a threat to armor. |
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Front Armor of the churchill is not that thick compare to other heavy, only rear armor and HP is stand out but it is a part of slow - damage sponge at grenade range design.
I think the durability of the churchill shouldn't be touched but at the same time torn down it's AT capable will work. With lower pen, churchill will not going to stand alone again heavier tank but with proper AT support, it still can fulfill it role as damage sponge and anti infantry - infantry support tank.
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 Churchill needs more nerfs. Just came back from watching the Banace preview tournament and that Churchill spam was so OP
Right now it can hold off a panther, while costing less fuel and being able to beat up infantry
I would suggest reducing the main gun’s AOE damage so that it can continue to fight panthers on even terms, but can’t slaugher infantry afterwards.
Churchill can hold of panther ??? |
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