They finally gave the Rak some punching power, and now its too strong, lol
Remember before the patch?
They were just about useless unless you invested in pairs of them.
They are fine. |
Personally, I wish they could split the shreck upgrade 50/50.
Would be nice to have a PG unit with one schreck for light vehicles. |
Grens need a buff. Even with the LMG42, they are simply underperforming against any allied mainline infantry, and they are even locked behind a building. |
Because it gives them great DPS at all ranges reducing the effect of relative positioning. Infantry and especially mainline infatry should excel at only one range.
But what does an RS have when they run a BAR and a 1919? |
Well, its an indicator that stock Grens are not performing well enough.
4 mam grens are outnumbered by every mainline allied infantry. So an assault tommy, ass enginers, or other similar comes in close, it gives no time for grens to react, and with their higher reinforcement cost, its no surprise that people are opting for Ostruppen/PG's and VSL's.
Honestly, the LMG 42 upgrade does not put out damage fast enough compared to ass grens, which is why more people opt for them.
I used to love Elite Troops with the Jaeger package, once vetted they hold their own, but not against double bars or double brens.
Why can't a Gren squad be able to use a LMG 42 and a G43? Every other mainline infantry gets to have at least 2 weapons on them. |
Honestly against Soviets, I don't rely on Heavy Tanks. (I'm a 1v1 player)
I use STUGs. Vet 1 Stugs with 'Target Weak Point' are generally good enough. Usually I'll use a pair as a task force to bully T34's around.
And if SU goes Tank Destroyer, I'll target weak point again, go for a flank, and assign a PG AT squad to obliterate it.
T34 Ram is not that big of a deal, IMO. |
When you prematurely accuse the "other side" of overreacting to your proposed balance changes, it suggests that you have a guilty conscience and know in your heart that your proposed changes are lopsided.
Or it suggests that I simply tire of hearing 'OMG Axis OP'.
And your statement suggests that you have a guilty conscience, and that you ARE in fact one of the Allied Bois that would complain about it.
...See? No one likes having their psyche analyzed by armchair psychology.
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Honestly, I used to love using Elite Troops doctrine; but Grens simply don't have the pop they used to have.
With IS getting a significant buff, Riflemen getting a mid range buff, and Soviets getting 7-Man, and Ostruppen being 200, there really isn't a real reason to use Grens.
I wouldn't mind seeing stock Grens getting 5, costing 260, and Veteran Grens have a 6 man upgrade.
Allied Bois would lose their minds though.
If you insist a mainline infantry to be a 4 man squad, if they are squishy, they have to be lethal. Fallschirmjagers are a 4 man squad; but they have access to FG-42's. |
Ass Grens got a buff because Soviets were using M3/Penal Spam. Grens could faust the M3's, but not beat Penals, and since they used their munis on Fausts, no LMG42 to try to upgrade to beat Penals.
Honestly, although Grens get the non doctrinal LMG42, they are the worst scaling mainline infantry in the game, currently. Conscripts get 7 man and doctrinal Ppsh's, Americans get Double BARs/1919/Zooks, Brits can double Bren and beat Grens handily without the 5 man upgrade.
Ostruppen are used because of their low cost/low reinforcement, 5 man unit and saving for PG's.
Even doctrinal upgrades like JLI package, its timing cannot hope to compete with a Allied infantry with vet and one upgraded weapon.
Grens need to be 260, have a 60 muni upgrade for an STG 44, and be better Volks.
Still might not be enough for a 4 man unit, imo.
The doctrinal 5 man upgrade makes Grens better, way better. But again, it's locked behind a doctrine. The Jaeger Command Squad is 5 man, and performs well.
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Prostruppen
When you must outspam the Allies, Ostruppen are your only real hope as Ostheer. That or Assgrens. You really should be keeping them behind cover anyway due to their 1.25 model size!!!
Don't forget about the bulletin that makes them 2% harder to hit. |