Profile of Mazianni

Units and abilities insta-wiping stuff with no counterplay has been a justification for a lot of nerfs over the years, and they've all been well received and accepted by the community.

Counterplay to T-34 ram is just screening your tanks, and that'd be even easier if it were a vet ability since you'd be completely aware of the danger.

At that point it would be like saying there is no counterplay to teller mines instakilling LVs.

What are the stats for those squads? I charged sturm pios (we ran straight for each other) with thomson upgraded cavalry riflemen and I got demolished.

They have 0.97 RA (same as regular riflemen) compared to 0.87 RA for Sturmpios

DPS wise: 0/10/20/30 range (rounded up to 2 decimal places)
SturmPio STG44: 15.89/10.84/4.87/1.22
M3 Grease Gun: 13.25/13.25/1.22/0.21
Para Thompson: 18.66/18.66/6.19/0.88

Quick ugly math with overall squad dps at same ranges.

Sturmpios: 63.56/43.36/19.48/4.88
Cav Rifles: 77.07/77.07/16.04/2.39

Multiplied by opposing RA (VERY UGLY MATH: ONLY RELIABLE AS APPROXIMATION AND NOT ACCURATE DPS CALC)

Sturmpios: 61.65/42.06/18.90/4.73
Cav Rifles: 67.05/67.05/13.95/2.08

Note these are all static DPS numbers. On the move you are looking at about half for both.

Sturmpios have better moving accuracy than the Thompsons (though same as the Grease guns, who have better burst duration) and better RA and overall long/mid range DPS, which could explain what happened. Otherwise if the two units were already close Cav rifles would probably win most of the time.

If you are going to argue like that, then it's better to just keep the weapon racks and re-name RE troops into something like engineers. No faction needs units to cook food or dig graves in this game anyway.

Nah, I'm not saying to get rid of them. We are wayyyy to deep into CoH2's life cycle as a game for such drastic changes. I just think it's a lesson to be learned for CoH3, if that ever comes.

Also, seeing RE spam work in this game every one time out of twenty is funny to me, and I wouldn't wish that to be removed for something as silly as realism in a game that has already dropped that ball.

I remember we've had a thread or two going over the possibility of 2CP Paratroopers. Even made a test mod for it too.

Wasn't the general sentiment that even with their weapons locked behind racks and 6th man behind an upgrade, they were still particularly strong for 2CP?

I made such a thread a long time ago.

A big problem with making paras come earlier (which by all right they should IMO, to make this an actual proper "Airborne" Company) is the weapon upgrades being extremely good. Without them, they're about what one might expect for 380mp call-in infantry squad, CP2 or otherwise. Basically a penal squad notably stronger at close range thanks to 80% accuracy up to almost range 5. Good moving accuracy stats too.

The big reason I wanted them earlier then, of course, besides having to try to fit them into the necessarily infantry-heavy USF build, was because they had 1.0 RA up until vet 3(!) which meant they arrived on the scene having to face vetted infantry that bled them rather terribly until Paras could reach their final veterancy requirements (which will take a very long time to reach with only carbines).

They recently had their starting RA reduced to 0.95, so it's not so much of a problem now.

I do still wish Paras could have their weapon upgrades turned down a bit (4 to 2 thompsons, maybe, taking up only one weapon slot for half the current cost, 1 LMG instead of 2, again for half the current cost, both still cancelling the other out) and then rounding out the base unit a bit, making it more approachable and a bigger part of any airborne build, and allowing for more experimentation with slot item weapons instead of having this unit have the option of one or two mandatory upgrades.

Could then possibly lock their cooked grenade behind grenade tech, but split their RA bonuses between vet levels, or reduce their requirements a bit in general, and then lock weapon upgrades behind either weapon racks or some tech requirement, and then let them come in at CP2. If need be, 6th man could even be something delivered through vet 1, as opposed to any sort of inevitably mandatory upgrade.

After seeing the huge mess the Fallschirmjaeger rework made, however, I'm not sure there's any chance of this stuff happening.

Pretty self explanatory, it makes no sense even for a video game and causes balance issues when engineer units can equip sweepers as well as double at weaponry in half tracks that reach f1 Ferrari speeds with step on it.

*Meant to put detect not clear mines in title*

I sympathize, and there are a good few weapons that should not be possible to fire out of a halftrack (Panzershreks and Bazookas with backblast) but the last thing non-upgraded halftracks need right now are nerfs imo, given how flimsy and off-meta they already are.