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Giap maxed out at 94 pop, building a 3rd p4 instead of some combination of pak, infantry, stug or tech for panther. Popcap and making the wrong decision are two different things

When you cant push a 25 pop advantage you simply deserve to lose, nothing else to say

100 pop is fine, get over it. Some units might need popcap changes but that doesnt seem to be the point of this thread

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He had two stugs and a Pak in the final fight. His only mistake was building stugs instead of pushing big tank butan, because mediums are arbitrarily devalued thanks to their low comparative value density.

No, you're just too thick to understand the context of the situation. The Brit didn't win because of some minor manpower advantage, he won because the Ost player blundered the game and made incorrect decisions, failing to close out the game and allowing an avenue for his opponent to come back and win.

You're arguing just to argue at this point or you simply just don't understand what you're arguing for and why the game plays the way it does. Your version of the game would be awful and unplayable.

May I remind you that your original point that started this was

Now if you were looking at the difference between 100 and 75. You'll find in any reasonable game that those missing 25 population of units are a quarter of an army's worth of units. Which means you either have a massive infantry disadvantage, or a massive armor disadvantage, or no team weapons. One of these will be your downfall long before you can recoup any of that 40mp per minute that you're generating because your opponent is surely about to steamroll you due to your weak army comp costing you infinitely more manpower in reinforcement costs and map control than you'd hope to generate.

Have you changed your mind and decided that a 25 pop advantage isn't actually a major advantage to the 100 pop player?

I took the time to watch the whole video and turns out the OST player pop-caps first around 30 minutes. The 40 minute 100 pop-cap is the last burst of his economy before it collapses to the brit player's ingenious strat of "build expensive tank".

But anyways, there's an implicit popcap due to upkeep (~200). You are posting as if you want infinite size armies. You're going to have to change upkeep and remove popcap if you want that.

If all you want to do is remove popcap, you'll still have an average max army size due to upkeep that just happens to be larger than what we have currently. Idt that's what you want. Otherwise, ask for a larger popcap.

You want a snowball effect sort of thing, that's going to break the whole game

I don't want infinite sized armies. What I do think is that it's pointless to have an artificial pop-cap when the upkeep mechanism already fulfills that purpose.

Artificial pop-caps just create a weird 10 minute window where some players aren't able to spend their manpower for an on field advantage like they've done for the whole rest of the game. It punishes strong mid-game approaches for being too successful in favor of "durr push big tank butan" strats.

The manpower cap creates a snowball effect for "haha big tank make boom boom" players since a player relying on mediums suddenly can't spend their resources.

You'll find in any reasonable game that those missing 25 population of units are a quarter of an army's worth of units. Which means you either have a massive infantry disadvantage, or a massive armor disadvantage, or no team weapons. One of these will be your downfall long before you can recoup any of that 40mp per minute that you're generating because your opponent is surely about to steamroll you due to your weak army comp costing you infinitely more manpower in reinforcement costs and map control than you'd hope to generate.

Took me only a few minutes to find a game where the exact opposite of this happens.



Both players around top 50

39 minute mark OST has 98 pop and floating 400 manpower vs UKF 71 pop and 150 manpower

Ost goes on pop-capped for a few minutes while UKF builds to 100 pop. Ost rage quits after losing 3 of his five tanks to two comets with no hope of recovering. Ost is floating 700 manpower at this point.


E: linked wrong vid

Lastly I'm not quite sure what you mean by pop-cap density.

Non-doctrinally, an OKW player can field 11 ober sqauads for 100 pop. A soviet player can at best field 12 penal squads.

IIRC Obers are 400 manpower though I might be wrong. The point will still stand that:

In 100 pop the OKW player is able to fit 4,400 manpower for a density of 44 manpower/ pop.

The SOV player is able to fit 3,600 manpower for a density of only 36 manpower/ pop.

In the early game the soviet player is naturally able to produce penals at a rate of 4 penal squads per 3 ober squads i.e. a 33% advantage, and both units are balanced performance wise around this ratio.

Once pop cap comes into play the SOV player is only able to have a 9% advantage, which suffice to say severely favors the obers to the point that the game becomes unwinnable for the SOV player. His army is pop-capped, meanwhile the OKW player can snowball into vastly more valuable army for what reason exactly?

If your opponent has less things you should be winning somewhere by virtue of numbers, the bonus MP from having less total popcap isn't nearly as much manpower as you think.

It's 1.6 manpower per pop IIRC. This means a 100 pop player would produce 140 manpower/ min. A 125 pop player would only produce only 100 manpower/ min.

The 100 pop player has a 40% manpower income advantage, but you think that's too small for a better player to leverage into a win?