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Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?4 Jan 2021, 20:08 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2021, 20:05 PMElaindil So what about that 1v1 offer? You admitted yourself that it won't prove anything. Of course that's after you modified the rules to make it a pointless endeavor. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?4 Jan 2021, 19:48 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2021, 19:40 PMgbem B) the soviet`s INTENDED counter to pgrens are extremely cost inefficient and therefore not worth building So the problem lies with the soviets in general in the OST-SOV matchup, Pgrens are only a secondary concern. CONGRATULATIONS YOU'VE REACHED THE SAME CONCLUSION AS THE BALANCE TEAM RENDERING THIS ENTIRE STUPID THREAD A MOOT POINT! SOVs ARE BEING BUFFED EARLY GAME WHILE BOTH OST MAINLINES ARE BEING NERFED! NOW GO APOLOGIZE TO SANDERS93 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?4 Jan 2021, 19:36 PM Only one of these statements can be true: A) Pgrens are extremely hard for soviets to deal with and imbalance the match-up B) The soviet counters to Pgrens are not worth building In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?4 Jan 2021, 18:56 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2021, 18:49 PMgbem you do know that sniper and clown car is in SOV T1 right? Did you know that Pgrens, which are the topic of discussion, aren't in SOV T1? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?4 Jan 2021, 18:40 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2021, 18:27 PMelchino7 Point 1 implies a T1 opening which gives up map control in favour of shocking value units and the 2nd one implies a Conscript opening. Either case they are not outnumbering OH with units. SOV doesn't struggle against Pgrens primarily 1) have the sniper and clown car, and 2) can easily control the map through greater numbers FFS it says right there "Pgrens primarily". At no point is t1 or anything other than Pgrens implied. Can people just not own up to things? If anyone thinks that clown cars and snipers don't counter Pgrens feel free to 1v1 me. I'll play SOV with engies clown car and sniper. You can play OST with pios and Pgrens. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?4 Jan 2021, 17:54 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2021, 17:35 PMelchino7 I don't see how Soviets get the T70 in a timely fashion nor how they outnumber OH with squads. Well you'd see how if you actually read the thread and realized that the original point is that SOVs will have more squads than OST will have Pgrens, because yknow, Pgrens are 340 manpower. Instead you just mod a forum wherin people dishonestly shift their goal every post without any repercussions, and you encourage it by going along. Look at this post: the fact that you mention the sniper and the clown car in a SOV vs OST matchup shows that you have no idea how to play the soviets... try commenting after youve played them mate... What did this post communicate? On it's face all he's doing is quoting me, and then insulting the opinion, but if we look closer he's not quoting me. The board has a quote function ffs so why wouldn't he use it? Oh. It's because he's misquoting me, and insulting his own strawman. In the original post I mentioned clown car as a counter to Pgrens, which it is. If you can force shreks with a clown car it's still a cost effective investment. Now OST has grens it's true, but grens were not the original context, pgrens were. Effective mods delete this dishonest crap and punish users for lying, but instead 9/10s of the posts on this board seem to be logical fallacy par excellence. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?4 Jan 2021, 17:01 PM Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2021, 07:37 AMElaindil You clearly don't play soviets against decent OST. By the time PGs come it's usually 1 engi 4 cons vs 1 pio, 3grens, MG + coming PG. What greater numbers are you talking about? Even in your completely non-sequitur example OST has payed 40 more manpower for their less mobile on-field composition. I want you to ask yourself what you're really trying to communicate in this thread, because the only reason I can think of for why someone would post a typical 3x gren build vs a 4x conscript build in response to a point about Pgrens is that what's actually going on is that you're personally struggling in your SOV vs OST match-up and just want a weaker OST because losing sucks. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?3 Jan 2021, 21:02 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2021, 20:32 PMKatitof 1) 222 comes literally a minute after PGs and murders both unless you got ptrs asap. T-70 comes a few minutes afterwards and murders everything too! It's as if the game is some complex dance with tempo and trading of initiative! 2) What greater numbers? You are going to have equal numbers if you didn't got any tech and less if you went T1. Pgrens are 340 manpower while conscripts and penals are 240 and 300 respectively. Pgrens also arrive later. SOV will always be able to build more infantry squads than OST can build Pgrens. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?3 Jan 2021, 20:20 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2021, 17:04 PMElaindil And I do think that PGs timing against SOV is just too strong (other allied factions are fine). That's why this topic was started. So it's very tricky to come up with an elegant solution to this. And this is all about 1v1. In team modes this is a non-issue imo. SOV doesn't struggle against Pgrens primarily since they 1) have the sniper and clown car, and 2) can easily control the map through greater numbers. What they struggle with is Ostruppen nullifying the early map control advantage they ought to be owed vs a teching enemy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?31 Dec 2020, 15:19 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2020, 14:04 PMElaindil Can you point out where anyone called PGrens OP? It's their timing that's seems OP not the unit itself if you actually read the topic. Most people here that are saying that their timing is OP are fine with just moving them to T2 without any changes to the unit itself. (me included) And all of this is because soviets struggle very hard against PGs since they have nothing to rival them when they come so early. Other allied factions don't have nearly as much trouble dealing with PGs. COH2 could be the most balanced game in history if only the team would delay all units by an hour. Nothing is OP, it just comes too early. In: COH2 Balance