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How about this:

ost doesn't need training wheels anymore, its a big boy now and can ride his bike without help

Lower prices just for being ost is imbalanced, especially since they already get extra mp on start.

This is a very valid point. As always Katitof, i admire your assertivity.
I would agree the "training wheels" as an analogy of HMG42 low cost. Loosing one is not that hard punishing, economically speaking, But still its hard to recover that lost HMG.

How would you make up for the HMG cost increase? (if you were to) With regards of not punish OST early game i mean. A single gren buff would be a bad idea, it will unbalance them into blobs or overperform for their cost. If the gren cost went down, would that be bad?

I think it's more "a price increase to bridge the gap of performance to cost because relic loathes the maxim and will NOT have it doing anything but deathlooping into 5 free fuel"

Is that hard to say: "OST DOESNT NEED A NERF"?

Put it this way: as any faction. ANY. there is maybe a 1% chance that if I see a maxim laying on the ground that I would grab it. Anything less than a 6 man crew and its absolutely unusable and even with a 6 man crew it barely performs anyways before it gets killed frontally. If you see any other MG, even an MG34 you grab it because you know it will do its job.

But you pay the same for a 42 and a maxim.

Thats why a MG42 is worth stealing... And even more if you are using SU.

Again I love this "smart" idea of comparing fully working axis units to completely broken allied ones. Its like begging for axis nerfs.

1. Really sad that you try to portay okw as being heavely doctrine dependent. There is more then volks or fussies. You purposely leave out sturms and the kubel, a feul free vehicle. That you only spam volks is on you.

I have never said that, thats your own opinion about OKM, not mine. I just pointed out how doctrinally SU gives more variety.

2. And your point is? All off them are good enough.

3. Again you forget sturms for okw, but then you do count the su sniper. Why are you even posting?
Sov have so much callin inf and teams because all off their non doc inf and wpn teams except penals are not as effective as other factions counterparts are. Despite being a little more durable.

Yeah lets spam sturmpios... looses at min5 and ragequits. I am not even taking consideration of bad plays, so i excluse as A VIABLE OPTION to use NON COMBATANT troops as a FRONTLINE unit. But if you do, fine! Gl winning games tho.

4. Cons have a lot off utility indeed but half is in doctrines and thus exclude eachother. Their scaling also is doctrinal depended. Volks dont need any doctrine for any off that and do more then cons. With cons you pay for what you cant get, about a third off that utility is not available at the same time. And they also pay more for basic utility.

For 10 mp more volks wreck cons and its fine. For 50 mp more plus tech structure and you are suprised penals beat volks?

If you pick a doctrine that do not upgrades cons, it means you do not rely on them after min 5. Its simple mafs. But Again volks vs cons is not only a broken comparison, a everlasting repeated one, a one i said im ignoring until cons get fixed (everyone here agrees cons need a buff) and finally as long as penals can (and they do) beat volks the comparison is valid, as i stated the limits of my comparison and i did not mention nothing about cost efficiency, just how that argument backfires.

OKA get: A Field Gun, an AT gun, a HMG
SOV get: A Mortar, an AT gun, a HMG

Hey look, it's the same!

What about the call-in part? Did you missed it "accidentaly" AGAIN? I dont think so...

What the hell. Seriously? JLI and Falls 'don't count' as infantry options, but partisans and PPSh guards do?

For the "Mr reading comprehension" is pretty ironic you cant do it for yourself, but dont worry i got you covered, again. As for spec-ops are infantry but not mainline inf, so does partisans (but not spec-ops, more like a disposable squad) so yeah. You have your options but not for mainline if, in case you forgot (volks for early and obers for late) so my point stands pretty much the same.

OKW: Volks, Sturmpios, Obers, Fusis, JLI, Falchirms.
SOV: Cons, Penals, Guards, Assault Guards, Shocks, Partisans, Combat Engineers.

Hey look, 6 vs 8, only all the OKW options are actually useful and they all scale into the late game.

"Hey look, i added NON COMBATANT UNITS to the formula!" And again you forgot you have 2xPartisans, AT conscripts (with totally new abilities), Ppsh cons(again repruposed and new abilities), Repair cons, a SNIPER (yeah it wreaks havok to OST and counts).
Sadly for OKM they cant choose other but volks for early or Pfusiliers given you picked its doctrine, but hey SU can pick pretty much any squad and get quite a lot of benefit, the only underwhelming case is non upgraded cons, so again you just shot your own feet. OKM call ins are mutually exclusive, what means you get only one and nothing more. But SU can get 2 or more call ins infantries with some cons upgrade packages, again, extra points for SU in versatility.

OKW: Volks AND Obers OR Fusis OR JLI OR Falchirms.
SOV: Cons++ AND Penals AND snipers OR Guards OR Assault Guards OR Shocks OR Partisans X2.
Im not even adding support weapon call ins. SOV already outnumbers a lot in this topic.

Again i dont understand why do you bother in talking back.

The comparison is as valid as you could ever want. Both are T0 mainline infantry units with a small price difference. Both of them fill the same role. Both of them have almost like for like the same abilities. Both of them recieve doctrinal utility packages of varying degrees of usefulness. Both of them are the expected unit for one to begin the game with.
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Fun thing is you pick penals vs volks and its the other way around. GJ getting backfired again.
Also volks only doctrinal upgrade assault package, But cons that get AT package, PPsH package, Repair ability, Hit the dirt!. (1 upgrade vs 4)

Counterpoint: Volksgren spam is stale and they should be part of an army composition.

OKW have a wide variety of early and late game infantry, both non docntrinal and call-in, as well as support weapons. There should be room for all these units to be a part of the army composition.

It is not acceptable that Volksgrens have incendiary grenades, fausts, can build cover, and get a weapon upgrade that lets them scale into the late game.

Volks do not need to stand on their own as mainline inf. Please nerf volks.


See how absurd it sounds when you replace conscripts with any other core infantry unit?

Next level retard post there:
Bolded quote is just what you added as an exaggeration. OKM does NOT have "a wide variety of early and late game infantry" (volks early, obers late. 1 on each) nor support weapons (raks on t0, again 1). T1 can unlock two options, but no doctrinal mortar/hmg/AT, as the soviet does. Pfusiliers are the only "mainline" inf call-in, as for JLI and Falls are more like a spec-ops (expensive AF and fragile). But soviets DO HAVE penals+cons+guards+shocks+ppsh guards+AI partisans+AT partisans+*cons upgrades (since this last ones gives a reprupose of the former named cons)

Facts are crystal clear, the units are present and the faction design is already there. The only one missing the point isnt vipper tho