Profile of Mr Carmine

zis barrage nerf is definitely justified. If you are lucky, your weapon team barely retreats alive, if you are unlucky it gets insta wipe even when hitting retreat asap.

its rof was insanely high.

Its mostly the other way around with wiping in live. Nearly everything escapes but with variying amounts of hp left.

Increased cost or cooldow or both would be better imo. Soviets generaly dont dish out burst damage/hardhitting abilities only zis and t70 provide(d) that until the late game.

If anything people blow zis barrages effectiveness out of preportion.

Yes the at power is good, just not as good as the others. The barrage is a fantistic ability to have esp since soviets lack stock nades to swing (even bad) inf engagements in their favor or retreat wipe or wiping power in general.
It has great range and when/if it scores a direct hit it does good damage. But it rarely wipes anything with the first let alone follow up shots.

This last bit is blown out of preportion. People seem to claim its a wipe ability for only a tiny bit of munition.

Imo the barrage is fine, it does its job without being a wipe machine.

Improvement is hard fact. Attempting to improve is not the same as improving.
Giving the Maxim good suppression would undeniably be improving the Maxim. Nobody other than you is suggesting this would have improved CoH2 at the time, however. Stop misusing words.

Stop talking about entirely irrelevant things like Demo Charges. Give an example of how MGC/Abandon as ability-based criticals could be abused. Then feel free to explain how this encourages passive play at all.

You haven't explained anything, you've stated vaguely that "It could be abused", and talked about completely irrelevant topics like Demo Charges. Explain in detail or give up.

Read what i wrote and dont be an ass, you know full well i refered to the maxims goldens days where you could spam it a-move it and win the game like this. So yes you are correct the maxim was improved back then but the effect was that the rest of the game suffered for it.

You are the one asking for examples of abuse. I gave you a clear abused abilitie as an example. That you lack capabilities to compare or put thing side by side to reach conclusion and write it off as irrelevant isent my problem.
Getting inf one shotted by a one click ability all the time qualifies as such abuse. Getting mgc or abandon at the click of a button all the time does as wel.

You already said that rng mgc and abandon encourages passive play at a small chance of it happening
Now having it always available at a single click at will not somehow?
Either give details how you would implement these as i asked you to do or stop contradicting yourself.

It isnt the most RNG based RTS out there, as Katitof has already said.

There isnt common ground to be had, you want absurdly impactful RNG to swing games because it's "cool", and I would like the game to actually improve.

There shouldn't be absurdly impactful random chance "Flipping" games at all. The better player should win, worse players shouldn't be getting a pity win out of RNG. Due to the extremely low chance and high impact of these occurrences you cannot play around them without generally playing in a less effective manner. All they do is reward passive play, and punish proactive (and better) players.

Other RNG, such as bounces, accuracy etcetera, can be more effectively influenced and accounted for, and are individually not as impactful. MGC and Abandons cannot, and in the latter case are not a good fit for the game as random chance.

The compromise is to make Abandons and MGC something caused by intentional action. The mechanics themselves are not an issue, the implementation as random garbage is. Flame crits were removed for a reason.

I remember him saying that yes. But cant remember wich.

You want a game filled with rng from start to finish to "improve" because "skills" wich rng makes a bit less relavant.
You do know "improvements" dont always deliver right? Where brits an improvement? Was dow3 (stripped of rng) an improvement over dow2?

You say that mgc or abandon are absurdly impactfull, yet missing or bouncing a killing blow on a critical unit happens far more often and can decide a game then and there.
Out of a 100 games only a handfull get flipped by mgc or abandon. This impacts ladder posistions minimaly because both can benifit less and highly skilled players alike. Mostly when overextending greatly is mgc or abandon massivly impactfull, if you support your tanks properly the impact is lessend greatly.
But aperently overextending greatly is being proactive (better) nowadays, and a player on defense (a bad player) or good at defense doesnt get his tanks abandend or mgc and he can't deal decisive damage that way and only win because a <5% chance his opponent gets mgc or abandon crit on their tank.

Imo the compromise should be keeping the no mgc and abandon in tourny mod, there they have no place. And adding cost to reclaming abandoned vehicles for the opposing players in the base game to not get a easy free tank.
But if you tie them to abilities or units this can and imo will lead to far more issues then currently, mostly abuse and open the door to outright remove them.

Abandon happens when your Vehicle's HP reaches 0 or below, entirely randomly and with no way for you to influence it. (Excepting in the case of the Sturmtiger, which has an alternate Abandon mechanic)

I doubt most viewers find random abandons and MGCs to be the most exciting parts of a CoH2 tournament, and instead find the displays of skill of either team to be the biggest draw.

I can't see why someone would find the computer deciding to randomly fuck someone more interesting/exciting than a genuinely good play from either player.


Abandon would be fine if players had control over it, rather than it being determined capriciously by an algorithm. Same with MGCs, have them be caused by particular unit abilities or a vehicle being destroyed in a certain way, rather than being entirely random. All these things do is reduce the effect a player's skill has on the outcome of a match.

Absurd Randomness is not interesting, despite people insisting that reducing it is "Castrating" the game somehow. Tripping in Smash Bros Brawl isnt a fun and interesting mechanic either, its just an annoyance for anyone with the skill to play the game normally.

Just stop and accept not every one likes 100% skill based games.
As it stands they are the majority. Most people came to coh2 for this rng, it sets it apart from all others rts's.

I can enjoy and understand why people enjoy tournies without the rng. But i and quite a few others enjoy the game with the rng such as mgc or abandon even more.
Here less games get decided in about 5 minutes that then get dragged out and hoping the ahead player screws up royaly.

Making mgc or abandon require certain units or conditions or abilities is bad imo. Only skilled players will get them to work. Ganing a massive edge over any who cant use them well and giving elitism a boost.