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Thread: Conscript PPSH assault package5 Nov 2020, 22:07 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 21:56 PMSkysTheLimit Yes and I have given you multiple specific examples of that design, which you have continually ignored. Cons are more survivable, cheaper to reinforce, they have oorah. All 3 of those things directly apply to helping with use of the ppsh upgrade those advantages apply to the base conscript vs volksgrenadier matchup yet volks are still considered superior to base conscripts... if base volk > base cons and MP40 upgrade >>> ppsh upgrade then volk + mp40 > cons + ppsh unless you assume some sort of synergy... in which case id like you to identify the supposed "synergy" between cons ppsh that volk mp40 does not present with aswell.... survivability and reinforcement cost dont really help in the base volk vs conscript matchup... the biggest argument you can make here is oorah but volk mp40 have smoke... smoke is just as useful if not more useful that oorah due to its utility.. soo to simplify.. combat advantage? volk mp40 cost efficiency? volk mp40 utility? volk mp40 the one advantage cons ppsh has is more mobility... but the utility advantage offsets it by alot... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript PPSH assault package5 Nov 2020, 21:52 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 21:40 PMSkysTheLimit I havent used either of those words a single time in this thread. I have given you a full explanation of why the soviet upgrade is fine, and you refused to accept it with no good reason because youre using the argument sanders made.... Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 10:42 AMSander93 For one thing, because balance isn't a matter of "them versus us". Units are balanced on their own, within their respective factions and against the environment in which they operate. This means that there can easily be differences in cost effectiveness between comparable units of different factions/sides. youre saying cons PPSH being inferior to volk mp40 is justified because the unit is balanced within their respective faction and the units that they fight against... this is basically a variant of the "flavor" or "faction design" argument in its expanded form... im saying this is a terrible argument because this can be used to justify almost every bad design or underperforming unit in the game by simply saying "the unit is designed to underperform because flavor"... at which point a faction is filled with nothing but underperforming units in its roster because "flavor" with only a few good units preventing total disaster... sound familiar? thats basically SOV "design" in a nutshell.... also name 1 advantage cons ppsh has as an upgrade over volk mp40... i dont think you can cite any... Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 21:40 PMSkysTheLimit I'm saying no one agrees with your logic. Nobody agrees with using mp40s to justify buffing ppshs. That's just stupid i see only two people outright refuting the comparison... thats you and sanders... there are other people such as jibber point out veterancy but you and sanders are the only ones who say that the comparison should not be done... Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 21:40 PMSkysTheLimit A vet gain buff would hardly be anything close to what you are talking about. Id have no problem with a vet gain buff, that's actually a reasonable suggestion. Yours are not reasonable at all and why would that be the case? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The maxim thread5 Nov 2020, 21:37 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 21:10 PMelchino7 Which is still wrong. If we both agree that an MG is supposed to suppress first and dmg is secondary, the fact that it is doing less damage is not a disadvantage. Is a by product of been able to suppress unit faster. yes but if MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but (MG1) has less suppression the fact that (MG2) doing "less damage" is an advantage as opposed to a disadvantage in this case... aight flipped the words In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript PPSH assault package5 Nov 2020, 21:27 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 21:07 PMSkysTheLimit Lol okay dude. You are beyond help is that all you can say? an ad hominem does not contribute to your argument in any way... as ive said before give an argument other than "flavor" or "faction design".... you havent given any Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 21:07 PMSkysTheLimit Lol I see way more people pointing out the flaws in your argument read the comments... there is almost unanimous consensus that conscript PPSH needs a buff... people are just split between those who want a vet buff and those who want 6x PPSHs those who want PPSHs nondoc those who want to add an HE grenade and all sorts of changes.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The maxim thread5 Nov 2020, 21:03 PM yes but if MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but (MG1) has less suppression the fact that (MG2) doing "less damage" is a disadvantage as opposed to an advantage in this case... id guess i couldve worded it better... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why Ostheer is OP5 Nov 2020, 20:51 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 20:50 PMShuter_FR But When an OKW can have a Sturmtiger and a Konig at the same, nobody cry... the jackson bullies either of these hard... id say USF is probably the best counter to OKW and the most lopsided matchup in the game... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript PPSH assault package5 Nov 2020, 20:47 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 20:45 PMSkysTheLimit And now you're trying to be a troll in your own thread. Let me know how that goes for you youre giving bad logic... im simply making the terrible logic more apparent... as ive said before... "faction design" or "flavor" or whatever u want to call it can be used to justify bad balance... if you wanna argue then use some other argument aside from this... Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 20:45 PMSkysTheLimit Who's we? I'm talking to you, and I see almost no one agreeing with your logic. The only reasonable idea in the thread was the vet gain buff you can see people agreeing that the upgrade should give 6 PPSHs... i suggest rereading the thread In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The maxim thread5 Nov 2020, 20:44 PM these two statements have the same meaning Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 20:09 PMgbem yes but if MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but has less suppression the fact that its doing "less damage" is a disadvantage as opposed to an advantage in this case... Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 20:23 PMgbem exactly... MG1 has the same DPS as MG2 but MG1 has less suppression... the fact that MG1 is doing more damage is not an advantage but a disadvantage in this case.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript PPSH assault package5 Nov 2020, 20:41 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 16:00 PMProtos Angelus Thank you for the correction. Still, I don't think it's overpriced (maybe a bit). Even though they are weaker than the shock ones. each PPSH is weaker than a shock ppsh and is weaker than even a volk MP40...you also get less guns and it also doesnt come with smoke and an HE grenade... it also costs more... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Conscript PPSH assault package5 Nov 2020, 20:38 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 20:31 PMSkysTheLimit Once again, you're still doing this wrong. I don't know how many times this point needs to be repeated for you: "For one thing, because balance isn't a matter of "them versus us". Units are balanced on their own, within their respective factions and against the environment in which they operate" -Sander Youre comparing costs and ignoring 100% of the context of the army they are a part of. "were gonna give SOV a plethora of bad units (maxim) and upgrades (cons ppsh) but its fine because fAcTiOn deSiGn and were totally gonna ignore winrates or how the faction performs overall because eNemY aT tHe gAtEs says all soviet equipment suck" Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2020, 20:31 PMSkysTheLimit Cons having more men, fighting smaller squads, Soviets being the least muni drained faction.... you don't care about any of this. Your entire argument is "this upgrade is worse than that one". Cool, no one cares cons have huge target size fighting squads with lower target size with a lower DPS per gun upgrade with less guns per upgrade while draining more munitions because of the pricier upgrade... if you do not care about this then simply stop arguing... we dont need to listen to this sort of bias... In: COH2 Balance