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Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Nov 2020, 23:23 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 23:22 PMVipper Not really. There is not reason for ISU-152 to have higher rear armor than Elefant and JT. there's no reason for the maxim to need munitions on a timed ability to do what any other machinegun does out of the box for free but here we are... impressive double standards by vipper.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Excessive Amount Of Micro Required For Brummbar28 Nov 2020, 22:19 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 21:23 PMKatitof You are a 100% correct. No unit in the game relies SOLELY on manual fire to do damage. That includes brummbar. If you think its any different, post a replay with your brummbar constantly missing and not doing anything. i mean there's rocket artillery... but if you cant micro rocket artillery then that's a l2p issue In: COH2 Balance
Thread: T-34 rework28 Nov 2020, 22:03 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 11:09 AMSturmpanther Vet 1 stuff 4) You get already vet1 after killing 14 gren models for example, without getting self damage. 5) You get vet 1 already after 4 shot(hits) fights vs enemy PIV, without getting self damage. 6) You get also some vet, when you get damage from enemy. So you can get fast vet1 for T34. It is just to give enemy a chance to see and react, that you got new t34 to ram your units. So if you look close to this change, it is a very very small nerf to a very strong + cheap ability. this is still nonsensical... having to spend time and effort trying to get a 300mp 90 fuel snare + 16 models worth of grenadier models + 125/200muni strike just to rip apart 60-70% the HP of an axis superheavy seems QUITE COSTLY... ram doesn't need a nerf... it needs a rework... either made more consistent or replaced with another ability entirely and do remember that without ram/offmap the allies will struggle against axis supers in teamgames ESPECIALLY since the vet penetration of the allied tank destroyers (especially the SU-85) just got a nerf.... id say the balance team just wants teamgames to become axis dominated again since superheavies are gonna be I win buttons.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: T-34 rework28 Nov 2020, 21:58 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 10:52 AMSerrith Except it isn't an anti infantry specialist its a generalist leaning AI. Does the ostwind have 120 close range penetration? Does the Centaur? Do either do 160 damage per shot? or a specialist with a bit more AT... its still terrible compared to other medium generalists even for its price Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 10:52 AMSerrith The T-34 isn't "helpless" against the Panzer 4 anymore than the Panzer 4 is "helpless" against an E8. They are outclassed sure, but its not as if a Panzer 4 can take on 2 t-34s anymore than an E8 could take on x2 Panzer 4s. I'm pretty sure the E8 is pretty meh against infantry... which unlike the T-34 the P4 is actually superior against infantry in contrast to both the T-34 and the E8 while being superior against armor to the T-34 and cheaper than the E8... soo its an argument in favor of the T-34 (or the E8) being inefficient... Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 10:52 AMSerrith A T-34 with any of the soviet light anti tank options supporting (m-42, penal ptrs, guard ptrs) stands an even chance facing against a P4. yes the zis just got nerfed penal ptrs is a bit of a waste and the M42 and guards may work but are doctrinal... not to mention there's only like 1 doctrine with IL-2 and guards in the same lineup... Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 10:52 AMSerrith What does this have to do with cost efficiency? My whole point was that cost efficiency and shock power are separate. You can easily have a cost effective ability/unit that is worthless for its time frame, and a cost ineffective ability/unit that is powerful at a different time frame. The T-34 is at the very least not cost ineffective-though this is of course going to be different for the larger game modes. its cost effective because it has a snare that sacrifices itself in exchange for ripping 60-70% the health of a superheavy tank... without that ability its dirt useless... there is NO and I repeat NO case where id rather mass T-34 as opposed to panzer 4s... would I rather spam a medium tank generalist that can beat armor and infantry or spam a unit that can beat only infantry and does it worse than the medium tank generalist but at a lower price? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Nov 2020, 21:40 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 21:39 PMVipper I will have to take that a "NO I have not played single patch game as the soviets." i will take that as cognitive bias... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Nov 2020, 21:39 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 18:21 PMJibberJabberJobber That's the idea, but now you only have to avoid the vetted T34(s) to prevent it. More doable than avoiding 3+ T34's at once. yes of course... you're not gonna see 3+ T34s anymore since nobody`s gonna play the soviets now since you've literally nerfed every single half decent soviet core unit in the game... the faction already underperforms and these changes essentially REMOVE IT FROM THE GAME... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Nov 2020, 21:37 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 18:49 PMFunPolice Easy just don’t play Soviets in team games. Seems to be the goal with a lot of these changes. But don’t worry because penals are slightly more effective now and that surely balances it all out. Even though penals still have no real AT or snare and lack any form late game scaling so they have to rely on other units from T3 and T4 to and pray it can lead to a win. Oh wait those all just got nerfed huh...... the goal is to remove the soviets from the game entirely Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 21:35 PMVipper Have you play a single patch game as soviets? the maxim takes 4 seconds to suppress things at maximum range... sustained fire brings it to around 1 second which is on par with other machineguns of a similar price range... but sure "maxim OP" In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Nov 2020, 21:34 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 12:18 PMVipper Maxim The sustain fire seem oppressive at start and progressively losing power. I suggest a MU increase and discount with each vet level. what the actual fuck? seriously vipper? the maxim has to PAY for an ability that allows it to perform like a normal MG... if anything sustained fire needs to be free... the amount of cognitive bias it takes to even suggest this is amazing... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Nov 2020, 10:50 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 09:54 AMMr Carmine The soviets changes get the most post obviously. I do like most of them. Yes because the soviets are already the weakest faction in the game and this retarded patch nerfs their last few good units... the su85 t70 zis3 all got nerfs... Might aswell remove the faction from the game at this point since the balance team is under the delusion that the soviets are a good faction... you know ignoring automatch winrates pickrates and tourney results... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Nov 2020, 09:00 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 08:59 AMIntoTheRain Could make Ram ability doctrinal to stop it from being used with offmaps. ram and T-34-76s are useless without offmaps though In: COH2 Balance