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no 3 t 34 76 can easily beat 2 p 4 if u have brain as 1 can flank while the other face off the p 4, for me u can swap the t 34 for the okw p4 3 seconds latter people will whine about okw rushing t 34 and then having the panther too i bet my as on it

1. a flanking T34 is a good way of running into a volks and getting fausted
2. i have an engine aswell i can easily disengage when i see im flanked
3. in all model engagements ive done (simulating tank movement by counting seconds) the panzer 4s won in ALL SITUATIONS
A. frontal engagement all T-34 lost
b. first shot was a rear shot second and third was a side shot for the 1 flanking T-34... all T-34s lost
C. T-34 sits at max range 2 infront and 1 at back.. T-34s still lost
D. 1 T-34 sits right next to the panzer 4 the other 2 stay at the front... 2 T-34s destroyed.. panzer 4 lost... T-34 at low HP...
4. quite literally the only time 3 T-34s won in the scenario was when i quite literally put 1 T34 right behind the P4s... and the T-34s still lost 2 T-34s
and quite frankly you would have to be 3 years old to have situation D happen to you

5. sure tell relic to buff the T-34-76... id gladly take it for a patch especially noting how the panzer 4s won EVERY SITUATION EXCEPT 1

okw can get tier faster if he forgoes LV while soviet can get it or to put it better "what ? why soviet get free light veichele tech when they go for tier 4 that's unfair i have to chose tech for a cheaper price and can't get both why does he get it for free" (if u did not get it it's the same for no optional tech increased teching cost)

ok soo lets assume your bullshit and say nobody built light vehicles or had side upgrades
85 T3 + 90 T4 + 20 T2 = 195
25 T1 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 = 175
45 T2 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 = 195


now lets assume your bigger bullshit and say okw got medics because "its not optional" but sov doesnt get at nades or molotov because "its optional"
85 T3 + 90 T4 + 20 T2 = 195
25 T1 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 + 15 medics = 190
(T2 doesnt apply for OKW)


now lets assume your bullshit and say okw got medics because "its not optional" but sov doesnt get AT nades because "its optional" sov gets molly`s for (a semblance of) infantry parity
85 T3 + 90 T4 + 20 T2 + 15(molly) = 210
25 T1 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 + 15 medics = 190
(T2 still doesnt apply)


now lets assume your bullshit and say nobody built light vehicles but we have to keep volksgrenadiers and conscripts at SIMILAR UTILITY LEVELS because we are attempting to create a BALANCED GAME not an AXIS BIASED one... despite the lack of light vehicles
85 T3 + 90 T4 + 20 T2 + 15(molly) + 25 (AT grenade) = 235
25 T1 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 + 15 = 190
(T2 would be redundant here without light vehicle phase)


now what about fuel T4 with light vehicle phase?
assuming OKW went luchs sov went T-70
85 T3 + 90 T4 + 20 T2 + 15(molly) + 25 (AT grenade)+ 70 T-70 = 305
45 T2 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 + 55 luchs = 250


assuming OKW went halftrack... sov went m5/m16 grinder bcz i care about balance unlike someone else here
85 T3 + 90 T4 + 20 T2 + 15(molly) + 25 (AT grenade) + 30 m5 = 265
25 T1 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 + 15 medics + 55 flaktruck = 245


and lastly lets be a total sucker for hitler and simply give okw a flaktruck while sov can simply suck it
85 T3 + 90 T4 + 20 T2 + 15(molly) = 235
25 T1 + 15 sws + 15 sws + 120 T3 + 15 + 55 = 245
finally sov has cheaper teching!!!1!1 soviet op pls nerf?


even assuming your bullshit your argument doesnt hold to scrutiny... okw has cheaper tech than sov period. and attempting to claim that okw has cheaper teching is nothing but a pile of bullcrap

"i mean u dont need at nades u have mines arguably they are better than at nades" if u still dont get the point medics are mandatory too

you pay for medics i pay for medics... i pay for at nades... you get handout panzerfausts... that would be fine if conscripts and maxims didnt suck... but they do!

obv it's more cheap u are skipping a tech okw don't have a tier 4 they have just 3 tier if u go one u give up something

srsly? okw isnt supposed to go T1 and T2 by design... thats part of the faction is balanced just like sov or usf... only the brits and ost (this patch) cant skip it because they have a different (and expensive) teching system

btw u can get t 34 faster than a p4 even if okw rush while soviet can even get full tech and still get t 34 sooner thanks to the bonus starting fuel

and OKW can rape soviet T2 with ease because 1. the conscript sucks 2. the maxim sucks and 3. they get the highest starting MP ingame...

u can remove them when medic are free of fuel and there is no tech cost for first truck and they start with 20 fuel

it's not bull shit just cause u don't like it, math is math okw going from tier 1 to tier 3 cost way more than soviet going from tier 1 to tier 4 with or without optional, if u rush u lose the ability to build either light vehicle or medics+mortar(leig)+AA half truck

if you call the AT nade optional i swear im going to make another forum to lock the panzerfaust in a 25 fuel sidetech just for the balance mod to silence all arguments that the AT nade is optional...

also as ive said before if you are going both T1 and T2 as OKW (and not opting for pumaspam as lategame) then you simply suck because the faction isnt designed to do that

likewise werent you against allowing sov to skip T3 because "its totally fair when sov has higher tech costs" despite my suggestion making sov generalist teching some 40 fuel more expensive? because thats definitely some bias there...

also the cost difference isnt as high as you might expect
not skipping side techs
245 sov
250 okw

skipping side techs
205 sov
235 okw

You best hope you can one shot kill that tank because if it returns fire it will drop 2 models on a direct hit, at the very minimum.

my new technique with rakatens circumvents this nicely... get a rakatens stay on hold fire and let the tank chase a volks... open fire and fire pfaust... rip tank... also the change of a direct hit vs a rakaten isnt that high... and though it does kill 2 crew on a direct hit from a T-34 a direct hit isnt a common thing...

lastly the best tactic is building 2 rakatens and using one on the frontline while using the other to hunt down ambulances repairing tanks and katyushas... hell they even double as recon

The zis is only bad if you don't account for all of its other advantages. As a vet ability it's got a decent one that increases it Los allowing it to pop another shot, it can be wheeled up to deal with garrisons and even pop a good shot into a blob where others need to pull back immediately. It's got the best chance at surviving a flank/indirect fire. The zis is worse as an AT platform but it's strength comes from not being dead weight if there is no tanks to shoot at.

I'm all for pointing out things like the Maxim being irredeemablly bad, but the zis is all yuu could want in a support weapon

well i dont really find the zis bad tbh...tracking and barrage is useful vs static emplacements MGs and blobs at close range...the point was that its the worst AT gun in the role of an AT gun... and that the rakaten is far superior as a dedicated AT platform than the more multirole zis

the sthealt of the rakt is there cause it only has 50 range and doesn't have atgun cover(shhots don't bounce from the at defense) the m7 has more range more cone of fire fire faster but has less pen

50 range is compensated by stealth.. no cover is compensated by retreat and stealth... low ROF is compensated by being able to penetrate all allied tanks except an IS-2 while the M7 dings against axis mediums without HVAP...

id gladly take the rakaten even as USF over the M7 thank you very much...

btw im all in to remove the rakt and add the old v coh pak 38 (same stats as the current usf at gun but less cone of fire and instead of pen rounds they get first strike: 50% more pen and accuracy for the first shoot out of stealth )

stealth AT guns are simply cheesy as of the current meta... the "sneak the AT gun to kill muh ambulance katyusha or repairing tank and retreat" meta has to end here

Never found sturms to be good other than if you manage to intercept lone squads moving from spawn to the front, or if you managed to flank a team weapon.

if you are in a firefight with 2 rifles against volks, and a sturm pio flanks, you can usually just switch targets and focus that sturmpioneer down fairly quickly.

dont rush the sturmpio through open ground... try to approach through difficult to reach vectors... besides sturms are engineers first and combatants second... build barbed wire schu mines etc and fight second...