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Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 18:10 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 17:31 PMStug life i would take 3 tank vs 2 any day it's 160 more damage and 640 more health for 80 less armor and 10 less pen, for me that's a deal especially if i paid tier 4 30 fuel less no... just no... 2x P4s will win and trade consistently and efficiently vs 3x T-34s if the user has half a brain cell... if you think otherwise then lets nerf the OKW P4 to T-34 levels and buff the T-34 to OKW P4 levels for a patch and see axis players wont cry... this is a pathetic attempt to justify bias... Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 17:31 PMStug life brits have access to healer, it's in their forward building, and like okw some of their unit can heal ooc mmkay noted... didnt see this a few patches ago... Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 17:31 PMStug life tier 1 of soviet is 10 fu not 20, thats tier 2 (in fact u should know best as u already participated a tread about soviet tier 4 and asking for a cost reduction only for other to prove that SU still pay less for teching) as i said OKW T1 = SOV T2 OKW T2 = sov T3... sov T1 is a different issue and is actually a viable playstyle due to the m3 and the penal battalion... btw that thread did confirm that sov paid more for teching not less... okw can still get to T4 earlier than sov... 235 vs 190/195 to T4 T2 + at nade + T3 + T4 + molly vs (T2 + medics)/T3 + T4 and without ~~optionals~~ side techs? 195 vs 165/195 to T4 OKW pays less or the same for teching period... they simply get free stuff without the optionals soo quit the bullshit Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 17:31 PMStug life u also conveniently forgot to add the staring resources for each factions (okw start at 5 while most start at 20) mind you OKW starts with the highest manpower start ingame 340 base + 300MP sturmpioneer... 640 mp starting(!!!) the next best is UKF and ost 340 + 280 IS/420 + 200 pioneer... 620 MP starting... sov is the worst 390 + 170... 560 mp starting... but since you want to cherrypick data then fine 175 vs 160/190 to T4 OKW going T1 still techs cheaper to T4 than sov T2... Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 17:31 PMStug life btw it's u who want to compare soviet vs volks and then say that volks get free stuff cause u only count the optional upgrade that u want as if AT grenades are optional... AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA... ok fuck it lets lock the panzerfaust on a 25 fuel sidetech and the incendiary nade for a 15 fuel sidetech for a patch and see if you dont complain... Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 17:31 PMStug life okw has the most total cost for teching, if we don't count optional then brit pay more, that's it this is bullshit as proven by the above post In: COH2 Balance
Thread: So people are still okay with Sturmpios?21 Dec 2018, 17:41 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 17:25 PMRocket Why do sturms need to be so potent period? no one else starter units are and that faction survives?, volks might not be the strongest starting infantry but they are in no way weak, they are cheap and super hard to deal with in early garrisons. Usually okw can afford more squads at the start anyway with 4x volk openings. The fact they do not need to build anything at the start of the game is even more reason why they do not need to be so potent. make them weaker but cheaper adjust okw starting mp for it. well volks are actually the second most cost efficient infantry stock (penal) and the most cost efficient infantry upgraded... cheap to make and cheap to reinforce... they beat rifles at long range IS at short range and conscripts at long to mid range...can build sandbags... get a really good incendiary nade for anti garrison... get free fausts with tech and free incendiary nades with the sws truck... the only reason why that cost efficiency isnt OP is because rifles and IS are individually stronger which gives them an edge in individual engagements in exchange for lower field presence... as for sturms idk... i havent really had a problem with sturms as usf as i can chew them up with rifles or assault engies pretty fast... only a sov T2 build really has problems with sturms and thats another can of worms entirely... nah my real fear with USF is the rakatenwerfer... that thing is the number one ambulance killer bar none... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 17:01 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PMStug life look the okw p4 cost around 150 fuel u can almost buy 2 t 34 for it.... 140 fuel*... 3 T-34s is 270 fuel while 2 P4s is 280... id take 2 OKW p4s over 3 T-34s thank you very much Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PMStug life the test i have done was around 17 range(as i don't have an ingame meter i simply put sandbag at half the vision range of the unit).... i use the cons sandbag as a representation of approx 10 range... found out by comparing it to the penal satchel which has 10 range afaik... i could be wrong with my approx but i used 2 conscript sandbag lengths for the engagement Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PMStug life okw pays 15 fuel for each truck, it's not a one time thing yet the cost for SWS trucks is mostly tied to teching... overall soviet T2 teching to T3 plus sidetech is far more expensive than okw teching to T2 straight... 20 (t2) + 25 (atnade) + 85 (T3) + 15 (molly) 15 (truck) + 45 (T2) also the same applies for straight T2 20 (t1) + 25 (atnade) + 15 (molly) 15 (truck) + 25 (T2) hell T1 + AT nade is already more expensive than T1 + truck... Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PMStug life sturm pay for the med drop each time , they are not free (like the brit ones) doesnt matter... were talking about sov... currently okw has the most healing options ingame and has better healing than sov... and mind you sov is already pressed for manpower... and the brits have no access to medics and have to upgrade the squad to have healing ability aswell... mind you that 45 muni = 3 healing... Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PMStug life just so u know cons are one unit of the soviet the other 8 benefit from the medics too In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 16:48 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 16:41 PMStug life u know rakt is the worse at gun and everyone would trade it for the pk 38 for v coh ? (stationary stealth, same pen as usf, but they get huge first strike bonus instead of pen rounds) the zis would like to have a word with you... mind you the rakaten is not the worst AT gun... however it is the cheeziest... it cannot be used like standard AT guns like the pak 40 or the M7 or the 6 pdr... it has to be used in hold fire and open fire only when a tank has either come close enough for you to snare and kill with the rak... also mind you rakatencheese is the best ambulance killing and repairing tank killing strategy ingame... lastly rakatens cant be spotted via mortar flares pathfinders snipers or recon T-70s.... this means an area that is thought to have little AT might be a deathtrap for any tank... also it absolutely neutralizes the snipers ability to pick it off and the soviet mortars ability to push off an AT gun by mortarfire... lastly the rakaten costs 270 mp... same as an m7 but better... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 16:01 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 15:40 PMthedarkarmadillo USF also have to pay fuel for medics and lack any alternative Whatsoever the ambu imo is the greatest battle implement ingame XD... so long as rakatencheese doesnt blow it up... but rakatens are another form of cancer that need to be dealt with... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 15:59 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 15:23 PMStug life i tested too they lost at mid range 3 time and won 3 tahts 50 % ....... u forgot the cost of the last tier and the optionals, dont "but they are optionals" me cause u pay medics for mp and okw has to pay them in fuel ........ and what range is midrange exactly? i had a 20 range engagement using sandbags as a measuring stick and volks won consistently... your "last tier" is equivalent to ost T4 and is superior to sov T4 (looks at OKW P4) sov pays with medics on a faction that is equivalent to a gigantic manpower sink outside of penal deathsquads... OKW pays with 15 fuel on a building thats basically designed for extremely efficient support/blob play... also OKW doesnt even have to pay for medics for healing... sturmpios drop healing for muni... imo much better than a 250mp manpower sink or a 15 fuel upgrade... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 15:10 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 14:45 PMStug life molotov only has a bit less range, thye deal same damage and the time needed to explode is the same, just so u know okw pay the most for teching, their so called upgrades are covered by the cost of trucks false the molly does not do damage upon detonation... the incendiary nade does... the incendiary also has superior range to the molly as you mentioned also okw pays some 15 fuel for the truck that can upgrade into tech... that also grants an incendiary nade... sov pays 10 fuel for the molly but also has to pay more fuel to build tech buildings... OKW T1 = sov T2 OKW T2 = sov T3 OKW pays 25 and 45 fuel for the T1 or T2 building respectively SOV pays 20 fuel for T2 and 85(!!!) fuel for T2 and T3 respectively on top of that i have to pay an extra 25 fuel for the AT nade... and you think that is an equivalent???? Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 14:45 PMStug life the difference between the dps of 1 cons vs 1 volks is always almost 1 dps, at long range that hurts, but at close-mid range where the damage is higher overall cons gain the advantage thatnks to having 1 more man (1 more rifle and 80 more hp) the fights go like: 80% for volks at long, 50% at medium and 80% for cons at close, when they are at base upgrades, cons even get better vet, if ur problem is the stg wither they change it to a LMG or they give stv to cons actually no... as i tested on cheatmods volks win far and medium range engagements... cons only win in mid-close to very close engagements... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 14:38 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 13:52 PMd0ggY while i agree, conscripts are probably the most unefficien unit, you don't need to spam maxim to have a good effect. It's imo still an offensive mg, while mg42, vickers, aren't. I've played several times 4 cons into sniper into t70, then build t2 to lock down the territory with an AT gun and a maxim. Be creative. Try out weird builds. The only faction you can do that is pretty much soviets. tried a conscript4x sniper T1 build... only really works against wehrmacht provided they didnt build enough grens and that i pressure them hard enough to stop the 222... absolutely useless vs OKW and very situational In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 14:36 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 14:31 PMStug life cons don't need a cost increase, as they do their role early game, if u problem is the match up vs volks AFTER stg then just add either a dp28 upgrade or 3 stv upgrade stock cons lose to stock volks on all but the closest ranges meanwhile stock volks get a free pzfaust with a tech building... free incendiary nades with the sws truck which mind you the molly is the worst incendiary nade ingame bar none... and a nondoc weapon upgrade... cons stock or not are trash compared to volks... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: can we now fix soviet T2 please?21 Dec 2018, 13:48 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2018, 13:34 PMMittens IMO the problem is that (like most allied units) they are only good at close range and therefore Volks/grens can sit back and kill a model on walk up engagement. Riflemen are the same way as you have to close the distance to be as effective as their units. and that is exactly the reason why rifles can beat them... rifles with semi auto M1 garands can swat volks even after taking some damage... conscripts on the other hand dont have long range or short range DPM advantages over volks ever since their DPM has been flattened from 16 base damage to 12 base damage... conscripts simply suck at every range bar close quarters touching vs volks... In: COH2 Balance