Profile of jagd wölfe

I like this idea a lot. A reworked sector arty would also be nice. (Would replace "offensive package")
Mod team is right in including an ability that speed up your movement. If "tactical movement" have to go "Breakthrough" could be interesting because your tanks would be more mobile and could cap.

Yes, far better than mp40 volks in a doctrine with fussies and thematically fitting.

Title, a poll and a thread to discuss about eventual replacements for some abilities and units of the WFA doctrines.

1) Panzerfusiliers

The issue i see with current Panzerfus is that (they hardly feel like elite infantry in terms of stock performances).
They are a 6 men "elite" squad where each single model perform worse than almost any combat unit model at stock performance, but receives big buffs by veterancy.

This despite OKW has already both doctrinal long-mid range "elite" squads and stock elite long range unit.

Proposed changes:

Make Panzerfusiliers a 5 men squad similar to Riflemen with similar cost
Standardize dps curve of their rifle and put it in line with other elite doctrinal infantry kar98k.
Tone down their veterancy.
Buff their RA.
Now they fill the role of "good quality Allies WFA" mainline option at an higher cost.

2) Tactical Movement

Tactical movement may prove problematic with buffed volks, making it a "must push" button that will turn a decent/semibad unit into a powerful cqb unit and there's a risk for mp40 volks blobs.
It may prove to be a great incentive for whatever comes out of the Panzerfusilier rework to be blobbed.

Nontheless, it feels uninspired as ability, since the doctrineis about "Grand Offensive" and not a generic Infantry Focused doctrine.

- Replace tactical movement with something else.

I propose a Stug E, an artillery vehicle born to support infantry assault, thematically fitting and a new unit for okw.

- Give 5 men Panzerfus a 30 muni ability, "Push".

- Unit lose 20-25% speed
- Unit gains 10% more accuracy on the move
- Weapons have 20% lower on the move cooldown
- Light cover bonus contantly applied, doesn't stack with any cover but
- Red cover negative is nullified (count as no cover)

(I hope the last 2 are possible, if not, a RA bonus when out of cover)

Last 25-30 seconds.

3) Off map Smoke

I feel like it doesn't fit thematically this doctrine., and that USF doesn't like ways to provide smoke cover.

-Change it with Ph barrage offmap, much more fitting for "Urban Assault" and still usable to provide cover or support Rangers.

- Remove At upgrade for Panzerfusiliers. Community voted and decided AGAINST a Tank Hunter doctrine. Grand offensive has nothing to do with handheld defensive at weaponry

- Rework Panzerfusiliers, right now they are bad, to far worse than volks, stock, but drastically improve with veterancy.

- Even worse, they are described as an "elite" unit but each model is individually worse than almost any model except when high veterancy bonuses kick in.

Doesn't make any sense.

Make Panzerfusiliers a 5 men squad similar to Riflemen.
Standardize dps curve of their rifle and put it in line with other elite doctrinal infantry kar98k.

@Jagd Wölfe:
This is a feedback forum for the new Wehrmacht doctrine. OKW discussions should be held in OKW specific threads.

Back to topic:
Would you support to replace the PZIV with the JP4?

Yes, it makes much more sense.

The thing is, OKW can get enough healing out of medkits on 1v1 and rely on teammates on 2v2 upwards. While reliability is not the best, you have non tiered Raks.

The problem is not in the early tiers but the last tier IMO (half tech for faster Ober/JPIV).


A JPIV sounds more interesting than a PIV for OH.

"out of medkits on 1v1"

Doesn't change that it bars out heal per fuel when any other faction has that

"rely on teammates on 2v2 upwards"

Aka bad design, and one more inconsistency between teamgames and 1vs1

"The problem is not in the early tiers but the last tier IMO (half tech for faster Ober/JPIV)."

Even at half fuel tech it still won't be a light vehicle counter (nor it should be).

Mech is still the only way to counter light vehicle without hoping for faust and raketen to work.

No viable at infantry, no at mine. Puma is the life saving panic unit and this is the reason mech is meta.

The possibilities are limitless, for example replacing ir halftrack with an "ad hoc" panzerjaeger squad using some ost doc infantry model, and set the IDEAL cost to make it a balanced 2 at squad.

Ultimately, about teching.

There's no reason NOT TO change teching to begin with, and multiple threads that were proposing the "early ober jp4" like you said also IN THE VERY SAME POSTSproposed reasonable solutions that will keep tech costs identical while allowing for med hq and repair stations to be built regardless of tech choices (for example the ability to use one ht ability that cost as much as the upgrades and only set up the base for the upgrade, and can eventually become an hq by paying the tier cost).

I also want to ask a question to all those of the "there's medkits so it doesn't matter".
If there's no difference because of medkits and teamgames ost bunker why even oppose such changes to begin with ? Kinda hypocritical, we both know that anyone would rather get med hq than to use caches if he goes for med hq for obvious reasons.