Really ?
Grenadiers are really fucking good, and with the newly buffed G43 they will be good anywhere
I disagree with people saying they are stronger than sections and rifles, but for their price they are really good. Your signature makes no sense because its volks that are trash |
I've got to say, I've never felt more justified in my life on the topic of G43 Grens watching them be so prevalent and effective yesterday at the top level of play.
I'm equally surprised they saw a resurgence. Might be because the meta faction is soviets or because they are actually just good overall and I might have to eat my hat |
You mean they are all-ins, not 1 tricks. They have many tricks, just dont lose it ever.
I think some, like the IS-2 and the King Tiger, should vet up faster |
Its ok when grayhound is cp4 because "1v1 balance" but we dont give a fuck about early stuka in team games
Teamgames will never be balanced |
I actually came to like M26, simply because of its speed and acceleration (similar to that of P4J). You go in, shoot 1 or 2 shots and gtfo. Rinse and repeat. And imo heavy's AOE is pretty good at that. It knocks out a squad out of the fight pretty fast, and if enemy disrespects it, he may receive a nasty wipe.
But the problem is that often 1 or 2 shots is not enough and you already can face a repositioning panther or volley of several AT guns. And if shot misses or got bad scatter, you may face a hefty repair downtime. This especially evident with Tigers, that almost always faces a TD or two, that will most certainly complicates its usage quite a bit.
I think 1 of the ways to improve heavy tank performance is to buff their acceleration and/or speed, so that they could gtfo faster. It also makes them more viable as in assaults, better at rotation etc.
Apart from straight AOE buffs, there are also options like price, pop-cap adjustments, timings etc. Like with almost everything in life, price/performance is a viable metric in COH2 imo.
I'm not sure about buffing heavies mobility. I would rather collectively buff their moving accuracy to USF levels to make actively chasing them away with minimal support a bit less easier and make its offensive use against mediums and TD less RNG dependant |
Free Medkits are nice, but they don't actually allow you to skip Med Bunkers because your Pios and your Stormtroopers and your MG42 still need to heal and you can't spend all your mainline's time healing other units with a single target ability. If this ability was akin to the Infantry Section group heal it would be significantly better for VSL's ability to skip medics.
They actually do work because Stormtroopers get self heal rather soon, it's actually one of the few parts of the redesign of German Infantry Doctrine that actually worked
Conscript 7-Man upgrade is good because it doesn't have better competition, it bolsters their strength which is fighting from Green Cover at distance, and it provides other unique benefits to Cons such as better ability to merge, cheaper reinforce cost and faster vet.
7 men conscripts are good for a variety of reasons, mainly because their reinforce cost go do, SVT aside they are actually better than any doctrinal upgrade, but also because vet 3 bonuses for conscripts are outright broken and should have been toned down a while ago after the unit got buffed in the last patches
VSL Grens don't fulfill the same role having to directly compete with MG42 Grens which is the premier distance fighting upgrade so it attempts to turn Grens into some Jack of all Trades squad which ultimately doesn't work, and it only provides a singular minor benefit in free medkits while having several weaknesses such as the aforementioned heavier bleed, slower reinforce time, and the lack of damage output that the MG42 upgrade would provide.
VSL would work if it granted reinforce MP cost and reinforce time reductions. |
I think a lot of people undervalue the field presence it can give and the muni and mp it can save with free med kits. Its not as noticable as raw dps.
No, nobody undervalues it, but it's not worth regardless, especially because you WILL need to bring your grenadiers back to HQ to reinforce where they will have some of the longest reinforce time of all mainline infantry, so a bunker would heal them regardless |
The bleeding more is reduced by the free med kits and recc acc. This saves mp (and muni) in the same sence as reduced reinforce for 7th man. Who bleed the most models by far in the game. For them it makes sence. Soviets is mp starved the most.
Bleeding mp for more field presence isent bad. It translates into more recources in fuel and muni as you will probaly hold more or take more ground.
Conscripts dont get an lmg or cant get svt or ppsh with 7th man. It would be to strong. Wich the old vsl was as proven.
For 150 mp and 60 munitions you can have infinite healing
VSL is a huge handicap on your squad. If the squad accomodates a 5th man as trade off for less firepower, it should have the reinforce cost changed accordingly to be less expensive to reinforce per model, because each and every model is devalued, it's not rocket science |
how is it worse? Dps increase is not all their is to an upgrade. 7thm man is redgard fine by most, and insanely op according to some.
Vsl adresses a certain weakness of grens. Survivability and field presence. They dont need nor should be 5 men terminators, ost has plenty strong ai options already. And 4 men lng grens do well at range esp shen supported.
Indevidual grenadier models are very strong imo, strongest out of all mainlines again imo. just slapping one extra k98 in their has a lot more impact then slapping a conscript model with mosin in their on a cons squad.
Because it is, the dps increase is minimal compared to mg42 and unlike the conscipts update their reinforce price doesn't change
Grenadiers VSL is the worst upgrade in game for infantry right now
You are trading dps for... bleeding more? |
Thread: RK 43 8 May 2021, 21:45 PM
Isn't the pak38 in game from campaign? If so maybe slap that in there instead and could make the rak doctrinal if someone wants it
Uh? Really, got a screenshot of it? |
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