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Thread: Tiger nerf10 Jun 2020, 10:40 AM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2020, 08:57 AMButcher [...] Any Panzer IV can rack up the kills just as well. From my experience the OKW P4 with the vet bonuses racks the infantry kills up even faster that the Tiger. [...] Obviously things look a bit different when you throw Vet into the mix. Especially for the OKW Panzer IV, which is a true AI powerhouse once vetted up since it not only gets the usual reload buff but also has 30% less scatter at Vet4. At this point it is even better than a Vet3 HE-Sherman and roughly on par with the Vet0 Tiger in terms of AI performance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tiger nerf10 Jun 2020, 07:21 AM Since the OP got revived recently and the original assessment I posted here was based on a slightly erroneous calculation (somehow back then I missed the AoE near range reduction from 1.5 to 1 m), I'll just copy-paste an updated view on the Tiger AoE changes taken from the OP of the Scatter This! thread I made a while ago. TL;DR While the AI of the Tiger still remains far better than that of any medium or premium med in the game (yes, even the HE-Sherman), it did receive a slightly greater nerf to its Vet0 performance than other heavies in the latest patch. Comparing the Vet2 preWBP and live Tiger, the AI performance in the tests I've run dropped by 15 to almost 40% depending on formation spacing as a result of the scatter bonus removal. I personally don't think the new bonus to turret rotation can fully make up for this, but it could be argued that the Tiger didn't need such a dramatic Vet2 boost in the first place. In any case, the bottom line is that the Tiger is still very well worth its price performance-wise, especially since its AT capability remains virtually unchanged (and in fact even received a small buff due to the Vet2 turret rotation buff). The fact it has fallen out of the current meta probably has more to do with its delayed arrival / respawn timer and, in case of OKW's GO version, the removal of the tank commander upgrade. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Mortar autofire/barrage change?9 Jun 2020, 03:22 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2020, 18:59 PMachpawel I'd make it a bit more lethal. Not to make it overboard. It seems that attackers are often blindly walking into barrages and wipe squads overusing this no damage possibility. They should be a little bit more punished for it. well i'd say at least friendly fire could and should be made more consistent across factions. though i haven't checked it myself recently, i remember soviet rocket arty dealing significantly less damage to friendlies than their german equivalents for no apparent reason. the same likely applies to mortars and other indirect fire sources, too. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Mortar autofire/barrage change?8 Jun 2020, 18:26 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2020, 17:58 PMBaba yes, whats the problem? so you actually have to think about what youre doing instead of mindlessly barraging the entire map.. oh no yeah, good luck coordinating every single mortar attack with up to three (random) teammates. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Mortar autofire/barrage change?8 Jun 2020, 15:48 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2020, 12:51 PMBaba first of all mortar shells should do proper damage to friendly units. seen it countless times: mortar pits shelling into close combat, wiping enemies and just ignoring friendlies Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2020, 13:05 PMachpawel Not only mortar shells - all artillery/grenades should do the same. this would make a lot of sense from a realism perspective, but i'm afraid it would open the door to a lot more and easier teamkilling and related shenanigans... not sure this would be worth the price for a bit more immersion In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: KT thread8 Jun 2020, 04:59 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2020, 04:12 AMthedarkarmadillo A king tiger with self repair because the fastest repairing pios around and a building that also repairs isn't good enough... OK let's go back to making it so it's only viable with a specific unit in a specific doctrine. That direction has more value that one gave me a bit of a chuckle In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Mortar autofire/barrage change?8 Jun 2020, 02:53 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2020, 02:04 AMShadowLinkX37 I was quite surprised when I checked the editor and found that the barrage was usually just as accurate if not slightly more accurate in very few values. However here's where I think the issue occurs when using barrages vs autofire. Autofire only works when you either give an attack ground command, or when the mortar is doing its own work. When its doing its own work the mortar requires visibility of a target and therefore the FoW debuff doesn't apply, which is why autofire is significantly more accurate than when you're barraging an MG in the FoW. So that being the case, I'm not sure removing the FoW debuff would be a good idea, however I think maybe a slight reduction in firerate in barrage inexchange for a lighter penalty from the FoW would be a start. The penalty is x1.25 scatter so maybe lowering it to x1.15 would be a start. that's a very good point actually and i guess many newer players do not even realize there is something like a FoW penalty. tuning this modifier would be an interesting alternative to just tinkering with raw scatter or rof values alone. plus, there are a few examples where this has already been done to good effect, e.g. the isu152 which has double the usual FoW penalty (2.5), so reduced FoW scatter for mortar barrages seems worthwhile to test at least. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Mortar autofire/barrage change?8 Jun 2020, 01:40 AM but mortars are already more accurate in barrage mode across the board (maybe except the mortar pit), especially with the vet3 scatter reduction. they all do also fire slower with their auto attack already, athough this could probably be amplified a bit more to give the barrage a greater edge over the autoattack In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: UTT and the 2v2 meta - already stale?7 Jun 2020, 07:05 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2020, 04:41 AMBaba how often did you have to select your mortar pit and press u + leftclick to reposition it? how many times did you have to recrew it after it was decrewed? "" send it back to base / medic truck to reinforce or heal "" dodge an arty strike/ bombing run if you tell me that selecting a mortar pit once or twice a game to brace it, is the same as constantly navigating a unit, we must be playing different games. then how many times do you need to send engies to repair your mortar? or avoid being nuked by any sort of indirect fire while repairing? to be clear, i'm not saying emplacements on their own need much micro to funtion, but that the micro tax is distibuted elsewhere if you want to keep them alive - which you might want to, at least if we're playing the same game after all. In: Lobby
Thread: UTT and the 2v2 meta - already stale?7 Jun 2020, 03:22 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2020, 23:45 PMBaba im talking about the pit as a unit, same with bofors sure, you have to do 2 clicks yourself if you want to smoke barrage something, wow its a place and forget unit otherwise when it comes to actually using it, its just does its thing you have to protect it. amazing, you also have to protect your heavy tds and everything else that does not have the mobility of a m20. takes a lot of micro still your opponent is the one who has to spend ressources, time and micro to detroy it so regarding skill it comes down on where to place it? i think my sanety hasnt dropped enough to take this seriously. 80/100 times they are built in the same spot anyways. you are forced back for 10 seconds, come back, BAM emplacement well, you claimed it required 'no skill at any level', not 'any micro whatsoever at any level', and i agree with the reasoning blvckdream laid out that this is far from true - especially for the mortar pit. that being said, you can ofc argue about performance and cost efficiency between, say, the static pit and the mobile pack howie, but in terms of micro the latter doesn't really require much more input to be effective. In: Lobby