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Thread: Is COH2 played competitively?13 Jun 2018, 16:43 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2018, 15:46 PMBrotgrenadier I agree with your differentiation between RNG and probablity, but you can't compare randomness from games to randomness from players. Difference is that human psychology is not random and player decisions are 100% made by the player himself and are thus completely controllable. Its a difference wether you get rekt by a lucky mortar shell or your opponent caught you off guard with an unexpected build-order. I would even go as far as to say that exactly there lies the "meat" in a lot of competitive games, as you are truly playing against the other player, and not playing against the game per se. Human psychology is not random, no. But technically nor is computer RNG: it's grabbing a value from the system clock. The important part is your opponent's plans and the results of the dice rolls are both hidden from you. You don't know what your opponent will do: you know what can happen and if you know your opponent you can judge how likely each outcome is. But until you see what they did it's effectively chance. Probability. In: Lobby
Thread: Is COH2 played competitively?13 Jun 2018, 15:08 PM Calling it RNG, while technically accurate, is a little misleading. It's probability. And that's present in any sport or game where you don't have perfect information. Yes, you have no way of knowing if your tank will hit before it fires. You know how to raise the probability (keep it still, go as close as you safely can) but you still need to be able to deal with the eventuality of it missing. And you don't need dice for probability to be in your game. Say you're up against OKW and the metagame is going Luchs. That's what they're most likely to do, but they could also go early Flak HT or bring out a Puma first. They're not likely to to but it's possible, so you've got to account for those possibilities too. It's the same principle as a tank's dice roll: assess the possibilities, assess the probabilities of those possibilities and plan for every eventuality you can. RNG is probability. It's risk. And risk is in just about everything. In: Lobby
Thread: AT & MG very poor performance, infantry reactions and visual12 Jun 2018, 16:18 PM It has nothing to do with real life and usually I like to play a game that is closer to this world as much as possible. This is the problem you're having in a nutshell. CoH 2 is Relic-style strategy game with a WW2 skin on it. It is not a simulation. If you're after a realistic WW2 RTS then CoH 2 is not the game you're after. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Why Panzer IV is stronger than T34/76?12 Jun 2018, 11:05 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2018, 03:47 AMruleworld While Panzer IV has a little more fuel cost, it is available at tier 2. Soviet T-70 and SU-76 at tier 2 is no match for the Panzer IV. So basically Germans can bring a stronger tank earlier in the game. It doesn't work like that. The techs don't cost the same. Ostheer T1 (Infanterie Kompanie) costs 80 MP 10 FU. Ostheer T2 (Battle Phase 1 and Leichte Mechanized Kompanie) costs 300 MP, 60 FU. Ostheer T3 (Battle Phase 2 and Support Armor Korps) costs 340 MP, 105 FU. Ostheer T4 (Battle Phase 3 and Heavy Panzer Korps) costs 200 MP, 50 FU. Ostheer has no side techs. Soviet T1 (Special Rifle Command) costs 160 MP, 10 FU. Soviet T2 (Support Weapon Kampaneya) costs 160 MP, 20 FU. Soviet T3 (Tankoviy Battalion Command) costs 240 MP, 85 FU. Soviet T4 (Mechanized Armor Kampaneya) costs 240 MP, 90 FU. There's also an 80 MP, 10 FU molotov unlock and a 125 MP, 25 FU Anti-tank grenade unlock. An OST Panzer IV costs 125 fuel, a SOV T-70 costs 70 fuel. Therefore, to tech to and build a T-70 you'll need to spend 165 - 200 fuel, depending on if you went T1 or T2 and if you grabbed your AT grenades first. To tech to and build a Panzer IV you'll need to spend 300 fuel, and that's assuming you built no Ostheer T2 light vehicles at all. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: AT & MG very poor performance, infantry reactions and visual12 Jun 2018, 10:46 AM How is this game attractive if all the units suffer from shortsightedness. I mean every type of unit can't be able to see anything more than 20 meters ahead. I think it's 35 for most infantry. The reason is the camera height. If units had realistic ranges then just about any tank could fire on the enemy base from anywhere on the map. You'd need much bigger maps with a much further zoomed out camera to accommodate them. With the camera zoomed up that far you wouldn't be able to see your units, just little markers indicating where they are. You'd end up with Steel Division, which sounds like the game you want to play here. This is the worst modern RTS in which a unit's maximum range ability can't be used because the unit itself can't see that far. Then use a spotter. Support your units. Ironically enough, from the same conditions, 3 squads of mine approaching an enemy MG head to head, further from each other than in the already mentioned scenario are being engaged. Immediately after one squad is being shot it, I order the other 2 squads to move away from the MG cone and at an almost instant time after the initially targeted squad gets suppression, the other 2 also get it That's because you approached the enemy MG as a blob. Suppression spreads to adjacent squads specifically to prevent this. Not always will the AT gun be able to shoot or hit a vehicle that is moving perpendicularly in front of the gun below the gun's half engagement distance. That sounds like circle-strafing to me, which is how you fight an AT gun with a vehicle. The solution is to protect your AT gun with another AT gun, an infantry squad with a snare or some mines. Support your units. Your MG or AT or Tank can shoot much further than they can see? Man, if this game is the definition of absurd, then it's best at it, period! As abstracted as the CoH games are, that's actually realistic. You can fire a weapon much further than you can effectively aim it. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Grenadier rifle grenade.11 Jun 2018, 10:19 AM Rifle grenades are easier to dodge than standard grenades, you've just got to watch for the Grenadier model dropping to his knees. If there's a problem with Rifle Grenades there's a problem with grenades in general. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Caches have to go in team games10 Jun 2018, 14:41 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2018, 12:31 PMSkysTheLimit Territory changes hands less often in team games, it's easier to spare the mp on a cache. You say it's only worth it if your squad presence isn't hurt by the purchase. That's a great point in 1v1s, but you can have up to 3 people benefitting without spending anything. Those players also all benefit from holding an extra strategic point. Building a cache is beneficial when building it doesn't result in any lost territory. Only once you hit the point in the match where more units doesn't mean more territory do caches become the more efficient way to turn manpower into munitions and fuel. An early map control advantage turns into very early vehicles because there are so many strategic points in large teamgame maps. Caches are actually working against players trying to rush tanks. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: T70 rush against Osther breaks the game?10 Jun 2018, 12:11 PM If you want tips post a thread here: https://www.coh2.org/forum/12/red-army-strategies Occasionally top players drop by and give very in depth advice. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF WC51 commander10 Jun 2018, 11:05 AM A Command 76mm Sherman would have been a pretty good idea actually. The artillery strike and Mark Target would probably have been enough. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Caches have to go in team games9 Jun 2018, 22:38 PM Caches aren't the problem there. A strategic point gives +5 munitions and +3 fuel, so if you take one from the enemy that's a +10 munitions +6 fuel swing in your favour. A resource cache gives +5 munitions OR +3 fuel. The caches aren't giving them the fuel advantage. Teamgame maps have a lot of strategic points and they're holding more of them than you are. A single strategic point is worth four caches, two munition, two fuel. The caches actually hurt their income if not having the squad that 250 MP could buy means holding one fewer strategic point. More map control >>>> caches. In: COH2 Gameplay