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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 19:56 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 19:43 PMSkysTheLimit Huh? Yeah they reverted the buffs, because they realized that was a terrible idea they said Panzerfusiliers We are reverting the changes to Panzerfusiliers to prevent them from completely overshadowing Volksgrenadiers, particularly in team games. Kar98k and G43 weapon changes reverted Cost changes reverted >We are reverting the changes to Panzerfusiliers im quite sure it means all changes Sure there is. The squad is plenty powerful enough without being able to pick up another weapon after upgrade. That's the reason right there Just like cons are good enough only being able to pick up one dropped weapon. They lost their 2nd weapon slot long before 7 man upgrade was added. Because they didn't need the ability to pick up 2 dropped weapons... and they are powerful enough cause u must have done some testes right i mean u are not pulling all this out of your ass cause it's "muh opinion" right ? i mean why don't u tell me their power since u must know it quite well, they are powerful enough right ? What do they beat ? Cause at least to me it seems they in power are worse than penal btw please dont' spin it again with utility u just said power, don't switch thing to make them more confusing cons lost the upgrade because they have only 1 weapons slot as a squad (probably cause 7 men LMG slot would probably be too much with the 30% cd bonus) just so u know i actually disagree with them only having a weapon slot but i believe it was done cause STV exist (again dumb decisions made for design purpose) same for volks having 0 weapon slot after stg which is basically a bar (and i dislike the STG weapon profile personally as well and would switch to have mp 40s by default upgrade instead) I'm well aware of the differences between 1v1 and team games stug. Fusiliers are practically meta in team games, they should not receive any buffs. Even cost reductions Volks are what needs help. Not fusiliers. They don't need a damn thing at all mhh did you just respond to your self ? >Volks are what needs help. Not fusiliers. They don't need a damn thing at all so u understand that volks are weak and not used in team game that's why people use PF and u say to not touch PF but at the same time says nerf PF and don't touch volks you are contradicting yourself and responding your own question "why people use PF in team game ?" "volks are weak and people prefer the late game so they use PF, PF don't need a damn thing at all" In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 19:35 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 19:29 PMSkysTheLimit What the fuck does this have to do with whether or not they should be able to pick up a weapon after the upgrade? Absolutely nothing I only pointed out that you cannot compare those upgrades without talking about timing. You are the one who made the terrible comparison in the first place I only have to decide this if I agree with you that the upgrade isn't worth it. I don't. The upgrade is fine, and is absolutely worth the cost Are you under the impression fusiliers are bad? Because they are incredibly popular in team games, how can you possibly think they need help dude ok, i want you and kat to point me out WHERE i have said PF need buffs in this thread especially to eraly game, im pointing out that 1) patch notes says they reverted they changes and they did not 2) there is no reason for the 2 slot since the squad is designed with the upgrade is mind and is the reason of their overpriced tag, either they are supposed to be weak early and strong late or the opposite 3)since u both don't understand this, in team game u might not believe it, but the game last a lot longer than 1 vs 1 so by paying a bit of extra price early game PF have more pay off late game and the doc used in team game both contain PF so yes they are used more than volks in team game as they care more for the late game than their map presence, same reason we don't see much ostruppen in team game, should they give them ton of buff since we never see them ? Even if it's clear the design is for 1 vs 1 ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 19:24 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 19:21 PMKatitof Neither can you. You can't have amazing early game infantry with great late game scaling. Pick one. If PFs alone are too weak alone early game, stop spamming them like braindead monkey and mix them with volks. kat are u for real ? they reverted the buff to early game, they just kept the 2 slot did u not read the patch notes ? i not for early game buff, where have i ever said that ? if the patch says reverted and they did not revert them there must be a problem right ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 19:17 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 18:57 PMSkysTheLimit Is the fusilier upgrade locked behind t4? Are you on crack? You compare their costs without comparing timing? are u really talking about timing when the PF come literally crippled being worse than cons until upgrade while costing 270 MP ? u have to decide, is the upgrade like other upgrade so it should reflect only the upgrade value so u reduce the reinforce and and staring cost of PF or is the upgrade design to be the standard of the squad so the squad reflect the cost and reinforce that it has when it's 6 men ? u can't have the cake and eat it too 1 of them has to go In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 19:10 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 18:57 PMSkysTheLimit I did read the whole thing... Just didn't quote it for format. Your point is absolutely nonsense, for the reasons I just said want it to occupy the whole slots ? ok just price it the same as cons if so, i mean as u can see in my post 1)the cost of fusi are always kept in mind with the 6 men upgrade that's why they cost 25 mp to reinforce and have pitiful dps until upgrade (worse than cons at 270 cost) 2) the cost of the upgrade is 90 munition and 25 mp vs 50 munition and 18 mp which is almost double and as u can see in my post the "utility" is 5 sight range which is not even that much compared to the bonuses that cons upgrade has , so it'is quite clear it's a dps upgrade instead but it very low dps increase for the price as they lose to penal at almost all ranges but close which is a 50/50 3) see if this logic make sense for you "since rifle men will be op with 5 men zook we will reduce the normal squad size to 4 men and decrease the cost to 270" "we will add an upgrade that will add a bar and 1 more man for 100 mun that applies 2 slot now since we realize the cost is not comparable to other upgrade that were not designed for squad that have to be reduced in size for convoluted design" "btw we keep the reinforce cost the same cause obviously we designed the squad with the extra men in mind, even tho it does not respect the value of the squad when you buy it, only when u buy the specific upgrade that was base before and added multiple restriction for no reason that goes even against what we designed the "rework" in the first place" honestly at this point return to the old design with the old vet bonuses no shreck and locked at 1 cp like recon section In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 18:55 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 18:47 PMSkysTheLimit I think they are only reverting the stat changes. They said they are reverting them so that they don't overshadow volks, so it wouldn't make sense to give them back the weapon slot. Given that StGs still take up 2 slots for volks You do realize g43s aren't the only thing that upgrade gives you... Right? You do realize conscripts only get 1 weapon slot to begin with right? In exchange they are more survivable and provide great utility. Sound familiar? It should. For christs sake what's so hard to understand Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 14:59 PMStug life the 7 men upgrade adds 1 more rifle 1 more model reduced reinforce cost and time,reduced vet requirement and cost 50 mun+ 18mp cost 1 weapon slot the recon packages, adds 1 g 43 rifle and REPLACES 2 normal rifle for g 43, adds 1 man and increase sight range by 5 costs 90 mun and 25 mp cost 2 weapon slots just so u understand before the "REWORK" of the PF the upgrade did not add 1 more man as the squad was 6 men , they cut down the 6th man cause too op 6 men sherck tank hunter would dominate in the mod team mind and the upgrade was 0 weapon slots the whole point of the rework Panzerfusilliers The way Panzerfusiliers are deployed has been changed to better match their role as an alternative mainline infantry to Volksgrenadiers. They will be slightly weaker than Volksgrenadiers at the start but have access to the Anti-Tank Rifle Grenades, slightly better combat veterancy, and more powerful upgrades, giving them increased power in the late game. This should make for interesting choices and compositions. the upgrade was always to mind the reduced squad number cause of the Shrek the team team even said it in the this forum that the cut squad member was the only solution to let them have both upgrades without being op and even then they added a weapon slot from 0 to 1 u really want them to have no slot ? ok just cut the cost to 40-50 mun and reduce to reinforce cost of the squad itself at this point just return them before the rework and put them at 1 cp like recon section be sure the read the whole post In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 18:13 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 17:50 PMJPA32 Oh yeah of course, you know except for Cons and Penals and Infantry Sections 3 out of the 4 Allied mainlines that lose to close range Pfussiliers. (Penals are roughly a wash but only if in green cover and you can't sprint on approach since you drop too hard.) Really the only objectively incorrect time to use Pfussiliers is against Rifles where you're simply outclassed at your effective range vs Bars. vet 5 pF and vet 3 penal at point blank range is literally up to the last man alive i did the test the dps of the g43 is high for sure but they only have 3 not the whole squad, if u give bren to IS or give ppsh to cons they do lose In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 17:07 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2021, 16:48 PMEsxile Panzerfusillers from the patch that gave them their new role: They are even more versatile than riflemen for the same cost once you upgrade them. Point is their raw stats are weaker than volks but they have the pfaust and once you can upgrade them they simply and naturally become better than volks. The problem with making them better early game is the same as always. What to do with volks and SP? And if you make them stronger early game then they´ll reach they pike sooner thus probably needing to nerf their top stats in order to maintain them balanced which lead to the same issue with volks atm, they fall down mid-game because Obers are here too. The infantry problem with OKW rely within the sole existence of SP and Obers at the same time. Volks and PF are conditioned by those 2 units that force them to not be so good early game and not so good late game. People always compare them to riflemen or even penals but USF and Soviet don´t have stock equivalent to SturmPioneer or Obers to complement them and that make a huge difference. fact is, what weapon slot have to do with early game ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 14:59 PM the 7 men upgrade adds 1 more rifle 1 more model reduced reinforce cost and time,reduced vet requirement and cost 50 mun+ 18mp cost 1 weapon slot the recon packages, adds 1 g 43 rifle and REPLACES 2 normal rifle for g 43, adds 1 man and increase sight range by 5 costs 90 mun and 25 mp cost 2 weapon slots just so u understand before the "REWORK" of the PF the upgrade did not add 1 more man as the squad was 6 men , they cut down the 6th man cause too op 6 men sherck tank hunter would dominate in the mod team mind and the upgrade was 0 weapon slots the whole point of the rework Panzerfusilliers The way Panzerfusiliers are deployed has been changed to better match their role as an alternative mainline infantry to Volksgrenadiers. They will be slightly weaker than Volksgrenadiers at the start but have access to the Anti-Tank Rifle Grenades, slightly better combat veterancy, and more powerful upgrades, giving them increased power in the late game. This should make for interesting choices and compositions. the upgrade was always to mind the reduced squad number cause of the Shrek the team team even said it in the this forum that the cut squad member was the only solution to let them have both upgrades without being op and even then they added a weapon slot from 0 to 1 u really want them to have no slot ? ok just cut the cost to 40-50 mun and reduce to reinforce cost of the squad itself at this point just return them before the rework and put them at 1 cp like recon section In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback21 Apr 2021, 14:23 PM yes but we are not talking about increasing fire power, we are talking about weapon slot and the upgrade itself the mod team Panzerfusiliers Due to the power of Panzerfusiliers with 3 G43 rifles, the unit does not need to be able to pick-up additional weaponry when upgraded. G43s now take two weapon slots. as shown in testes the fire power of the 3 g43 rifle does not warrant 2 weapon slot, if u want i can compare them to rifle bar but really it changes nothing to the point im making the g43 upgrade is not worth 2 weapon slot and if we go by your logic than a lot of weapons should be worth more than 1 weapon slot In: COH2 Balance