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Thread: How to % bonuses stack from intel bulletins?18 Oct 2018, 23:29 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 23:24 PMmurky depths This is more for my curiosity than it is for actual gameplay, since 3% faster cooldown between shots probably translates to jack and shit when all's said and done, but I am always curious how some of these intel bulletins actually stack. So I fully understand that it doesn't actually matter at all. So, let's say for example that I have two bulletins that give a KV-1 "extra armor". Such as these two: Thicker Skin -- "KV-1 has 4% increased defense": https://coh2db.com/bulletins/view/id/186/name/thicker-skin and Just a Scratch -- "Armor on KV-1 increased by 3%": https://coh2db.com/bulletins/view/id/207/name/just-a-scratch So I am assuming these both mean the same thing (the armor value of the unit is increased by 3% and 4%). My question is do the two multiply or are they additive? Is it a total 7% bonus or is it actually 7.12%? Again, I know this doesn't actually matter, at all, but I'm curious how these stack. And finally does this logic work across the board or is it that some bulletins are an additive stack and others are multiplicative? The majority of in game bonuses are x (with some exceptions). For the Kv-1 it should be x1.0712 In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: About soviet shock troops in WWII18 Oct 2018, 23:26 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 23:16 PMKatitof So now you don't want DEFENSIVE doctrine to turtle, aka be defensive? But turtling is thematically correct for DEFENSIVE doctrine. And what 2 auras? FHQ on ambient building isn't going to follow your army anywhere and is an active ability which will be not active 75% of the time. AoE Oorah for 10 seconds can hardly be called an aura. There is no point in debating with someone that claim that "inspire" is not an aura. Also read the patch notes if you want to know the affects or inspire, it is not actually a " Oorah for 10 seconds" that is simply misleading. PLS stop trolling. KV-8 -Capture Point replaced with Inspire: Infantry within 30m will move faster and have their weapon cooldowns reduced by 20%. Costs 25 munitions. In: Lobby
Thread: About soviet shock troops in WWII18 Oct 2018, 23:21 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 23:14 PMKatitof The idea never held together anyway. Only a couple of doctrines made any sense in context of their names and that went straight to the garbage can the moment modders revamped first commander. Names now are just a label to know which group of abilities you talk about, that's it. But ok, lets have it your way. Lets put soviet bunkers and hull down for soviet tanks. That's defensive, isn't it? Hell, we could even replace shocks with guards. Guards like the name suggests are guarding, therefore can't attack, therefore are perfect fit for defensive doctrine. There is little point in debating anything with you since you simple derail any and all threads. You claim that the name of commanders means nothing but the fact is Relics clearly has a different opinion and wants commander abilities to be mathematical. You claimed Shock troops where defensive units when both in game and in real life they where offensive oriented. You are wrong in both account and I have little more to add and no intention of reaching 11.000 post count with pointless posts. Have a nice day. In: Lobby
Thread: About soviet shock troops in WWII18 Oct 2018, 23:14 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 23:12 PMTobis You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again man. Nobody cares that it is called urban defense. It's about making fun doctrines. I do not really see any fun in doctrine than can turtle up in FHQ or forward reinforcement/healing point get shock troops and ATG by CP 2 and then turtle up even more with KV-2 while being able to use 2 auras to buff its infantry. In: Lobby
Thread: About soviet shock troops in WWII18 Oct 2018, 23:10 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 19:49 PMKatitof And Mechanized assault doctrine should be about excessive use of halftrucks to transport motorized infantry to the front line quickly and provide covering fire, not about StuG-e and tigers. I also assure you that blitzkrieg and lightning war was the exact same thing, yet in coh2 these are 2 completely different doctrines. Soviet advanced warfare wouldn't be focused on IL-2s and regular T-34/85, but actually advanced stuff, like IS-2. See, its just a name to make the doctrine look cool. You're only going to end up chasing your own tail in circles if you keep focusing on nomenclature instead of making interesting and functional doctrine. The idea that changes should follow the theme is not mine but Relic's so you can argue with them that it only there to "look cool" if you want. "Please use this thread to discuss or submit ideas for the Soviet Commander Revamp. If you want to submit a full proposal, here are a few guidelines. .... Suggested changes should not detract from the commanders given theme." Contrary to what you have argued Shock troops are not a defensive units, both shock troops and KV-2 are assault units and do not really fit the theme of "urban defense". In: Lobby
Thread: Infiltration commandos 3 men at spawn18 Oct 2018, 23:01 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 21:43 PMLoopDloop Meh I just spawn them off map to reinforce there and manually infiltrate enemy lines. If you spawn at 3 men behind their lines already, then you lose quite a bit of dps, meaning you should use nades, but nade is (completely rightfully so, mind you, for real) on cooldown, so you have to wait anyway. At that point you might as well capitalize on the element of surprise with full dps and spawn them offmap. It annoys me that they spawn offmap at 3 men (making them one of the most expensive infantry squads in the game to initially produce at 370 plus 35x2 manpower) for absolutely no reason though, especially when new stormtroopers spawn at full size even from buildings even though they do have to upgrade mp40s (for free). If commandos spawned with rifles instead of stens then you could actually compare them with storm troopers, they do not and thus the comparison is misleading. Both Storm troopers and JLIR carry very little punch when they spawn since both come with rifles equipped. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch18 Oct 2018, 22:54 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 19:43 PMKasarov I could've sworn the flamethrower just replaced the coaxial and not the main gun. I wouldn't think the KV-8 would even be able to swap to the main gun at all if it really used the main gun barrel. You are correct the flamethrower was coaxial and 76.2mm gun was replaced with 45mm to make room. In order for the smaller caliber gun to be disguised, a tube was fitted around the 45mm gun to make it look like a 76.2mm gun. In: Lobby
Thread: About soviet shock troops in WWII18 Oct 2018, 18:09 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 17:12 PMLago Isn't urban combat close quarters? Forest combat can also be close quarters combat, what differentiates urban is Garrison and thus the specialized tools to deal with garrison define "urban specialization. One could argue that units with flamers or weapons with better modifiers vs garrison like Vamp ST44 or the new G43 are "urban specialized" units. Shock troops are not particularly good at dealing with cover (compared to other QCQ units) so the claim that shock troops "are urban combat specialists" is simply false. Shock troops is already one of the most common abilities in COH2 (by adding them to urban defense they become the most common if I am not mistaken). In addition when Relic asked for suggestion they made it clear that the suggestion should fit the commanders thematically. Shock troops simply do not fit the theme of "urban defense" since they are not a defensive unit and can prove problematic with the aura buffs available to the commander and forward healing/reinforce. Neither does a heavy assault gun like the KV-2. Imo the main reason both units where introduced (and also the Stug-E and storm troopers) was increase the scope of the patch. Again imo that is mistake since the scope is pretty big to begin with and the effort should focus fixing the units and abilities already in scope a goal hardly achieved since there still problems with them. The same approach of expanding the scope was used in previous commander revamp patch and the result where average. For instance in this patch Valentine if far from a good spot, while its speed when vetted is ridiculously high even without "war speed". In: Lobby
Thread: About soviet shock troops in WWII18 Oct 2018, 15:03 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 14:55 PMEtherealDragon Thread made just to carry on bickering from the Revamp thread? gets popcorn The thread was made to protect people like Andy from having to read endless pages that have nothing to do with helpful feedback. In: Lobby
Thread: About soviet shock troops in WWII18 Oct 2018, 15:01 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2018, 14:58 PMKirrik And? Stug E is clearly not defensive yet is in Defensive doctrine. Yes stug E does not fit the defensive doctrine (it is not live it introduced in this patch) thematically because it is an assault gun. It fits infantry doctrine more. In: Lobby