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Thread: Command P4 vs Command AEC - what the buff! 26 Jun 2022, 14:55 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2022, 14:50 PMHannibal I agree on the XP value. The others have nothing to do with some type of unit class, but have to match the "worth" of a unit on the battlefield. Manpower cost/pop/tech is all related to role and how it compares to alternatives. Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2022, 14:50 PMHannibal The command P4 has about the AI of a normal P4. You basically trade the AT capability for utility and some all in all cheaper cost. It is incredibly strong in team games when you can support your teammates' forces and literally buff units worth >100 population for a coordinated push. But this mostly works in large games with arranged teams. In smaller modes, especially with randoms, it does not, because you only buff your army, half of which is probably somewhere else or cycling between frontline and base. A similar effect comes from map size. Overall it is a good unit, but just like many heavies, it works better in larger modes and is hard to fit in smaller modes. I have played several large mode games and I hardly see the unit. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Command P4 vs Command AEC - what the buff! 26 Jun 2022, 14:04 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2022, 13:51 PMHannibal The Command P4 is a utility unit. Comparing it only based on combat performance with combat focused units does not make a strong argument. The odd position the Command P4 has is that it is not really worth it in 1v1, but quite strong in 4v4, especially for arranged teams. It combat performance combined with its high manpower cost/XP value/pop/tech is related those value are not values of a support unit. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Command P4 vs Command AEC - what the buff! 26 Jun 2022, 09:04 AM C. Panzer 4 is still in weird place. Cost more manpower than a normal PzIV. Has worse AI than ostwind for the same fuel. Combines low accuracy and penetration so is not very good vs light tanks. Has the same tech requirement as PzIV/Ostwind. Has same XP value as PZIV ans similar vet bonuses. Has the a pop of 12 although a support unit. In most cases building an ostwind or PzIV is a better choice. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Is the Commissar's abilities on sniper worth it?25 Jun 2022, 11:50 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2022, 11:21 AMKatukov The infamously competent fighting capacity of a 5 man squad of which one has a pistol Have ever tried to rush sniper with grenadier or vgrenadier while begin fire upon from commissar which has access to RGD-33 Fragmentation Grenade and Fear Propaganda Artillery? The commissar is more than capable of defending a Sniper vs infatry. I addition it get a Pistol plus 5 SVT by vet 1 which is give his decent DPS for cost. As I have pointed the synergy between the two units is good. (Have you ever tried the Ostheer officer with 1 4 smgs and a pistol for DPS that becomes obsolete after 5 minutes?) In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Is the Commissar's abilities on sniper worth it?25 Jun 2022, 10:57 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2022, 10:12 AMTickTack your opponent will rush either kubel or 222 when he sees commander + ribbon combos, and as you've gone t1 you won't be able to stop it from killing sniper unless he hits a lucky mine outside base Because one can not counter a kubel without a zis..... Commissar sniper is a good combination since the commissar can provide healing/vision for sniper and can fight infatry that try to close in. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Why is the Maxim so bad?22 Jun 2022, 16:26 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2022, 06:31 AMKurobane ... Imagine if any allied MG was able to instant delete any of the Axis vehicles before the player could even react. ... Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2022, 15:50 PMKurobane DSHK is not available at the start of the match like the MG-42 is (depending on the game with Vet bulletins you can hit Vet 1 after the first/second engagement with MG-42 well before 2 CP) DSHK comes in at 2 CP and why would you need a DSHK vs Kubel? It dies fairly quickly with just a Maxim or anything really especially if you get lucky with RNG and all your hits penetrate the Kubel. ... Yet both of these HMG delete axis light vehicles so there is not need for one to imagine anything. And both of them do not even need AP round vs kubel since the have higher penetration than the kubel's armor. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why is the Maxim so bad?22 Jun 2022, 07:29 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2022, 22:43 PMrumartinez89 But the only support weapon that is more cost efficient is the MG42. The Soviet mortar might perform a tiny bit worse but has better durability and flare which is a great ability. The ZIS is straight up the most efficient support unit in the game as it can perform AT and mortar duties along with great durability. Personally, this is why I believe maxim will stay “bad”. If it were any better, even with a slow start a T2 rush would become unbeatable due to attrition and staying power from merge. Yes the gap between ostheer support weapons and other faction has been reduces. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why is the Maxim so bad?22 Jun 2022, 06:55 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2022, 06:31 AMKurobane I regularly kill Universal Carriers with MG-42 since the Pioneer vision allows me to activate the ability before the enemy can even see where my MG-42 is positioned and the UC gets instant killed. The AT performance for the MG-42 is way out of line even going as far as being able to kill USF AA Halftrack so fast the other play doesn't even have a chance to react. It should not kill light vehicles faster than an AT Gun. Imagine if any allied MG was able to instant delete any of the Axis vehicles before the player could even react. Incendiary Rounds (Vet 1 MG-42 ability) grants: 100% increase damage 50% faster reload +9 Penetration The MG-42 is strong enough as it is and it simply does not need to be that strong of a counter vs vehicles, especially with free Panzerfaust, earlier Panzer Grenadiers, and early Scout Car available as options. Personally I think the +9 Penetration should be removed and Grenadiers are given the option to get Panzerbüchse 39 (available for Grenadiers in single player) if they feel they need early AT. Have you even seen a kubel take 0.5/Dshk AP rounds? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why is the Maxim so bad?21 Jun 2022, 21:44 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2022, 21:09 PMrumartinez89 After all the balance patches, every single meta build is 1 or 2 mg and AT guns for every single faction minus USF who usually go for multiple MG and zooms unless they back tech. So that statement is no longer makes sense. Hell, OST can get their 6th unit which is usually a 4th Gren before USF gets their 5th unit(either LT or CPT). That MG has all the support and vision it needs without PIO vision. Ostheer are meant and do have more cost efficient support weapons so it does make perfect sense. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why is the Maxim so bad?21 Jun 2022, 16:08 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2022, 15:37 PMdonofsandiego Yeah, but you already mentioned the devs giving pios the extended sight to "encourage combined arms". Which is what I was talking about. .... It seem that developers do consider the use of an infatry and support weapon as "combined arms". "Pioneers Our aim is to encourage positional play and combined arms, which the Wehrmacht faction tends to reply on more than any other faction. With an increase in sight (albeit still lower than pathfinders) we are allowing Pioneers to help spot for their HMGs and other support teams. Sight increased from 35 to 42" It could had been even worse if the developers had gone with original idea of giving the extra sight to Grenadiers... In: COH2 Balance