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Thread: USF and MP bleed17 Sep 2021, 00:22 AM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 23:55 PMKurobane That Bazooka nerf was a massive nerf so much so that the M20 basically disappeared from use after that and is rarely used now. The main reason why the M20 was good was because you could get 2 of them to inflict MP bleed that was not only cost effective fuel wise vs Stuart but was better than a single stuart while offering 2 bazooka vehicle crew squads which were useful at all stages of the game compared to a Stuart which has a 5 minute window of usefulness. What is Stuart going to do vs Panzer IV? Nothing but Blind and hope it escapes however the 2 Bazooka squads could actually do something. USF is ammo starved. Sure you can make the Vehicle Crew come out and give them Bazookas now but if the M20 dies then you just threw away AMMO on nothing which is why no one does that. The Ammo saved from the Bazooka was so huge that the M20 was used in almost every USF build and you saw the M20 every match. This meant you can get bars, drop an extra mine. No amount of buffs to the M20 made up for how massive of a nerf that was to USF which is why its a rare sight today despite it being one of the few decent things USF has. Yes we know every USF has been nerfed to the ground... On the other hand bazookas is not really relevant because using M20 to lay mine which was the original topic has become a lot cheaper (100mp /20mu/2 pop). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why is the Pak 43 allowed to shoot through obstacles? 17 Sep 2021, 00:19 AM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 23:55 PMgeneral_gawain But that ability makes no sense because you won't build your immobile 17pdr behind a shoot-blocker to only use this ability from then on for 60mu each time you use it. You'll always build it with open shooting field. It would be a whole different thing if a mobile 17pdr would have this ability. The important thing you can clear most fields with a free ability from Ro.eng and that is a big difference. Destroy cover allow both easier placement and line of fire. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF and MP bleed16 Sep 2021, 21:10 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 20:55 PMMr Carmine Yes most are buffs, yet not every buff is as valuable. The accuracy chance is not a buff. Its long rang acc got slightly better yet its mid and close range acc got nerfed. The curve got flattened. Combined with veterancy accuracy buffs it is a major buff. A vet 3 M20 has around 50% more far DPS after the patch than before (if I remember correctly) only slightly less close (which in most case will not use). The unit is mean to be used far range any way since it can self spot and does not want to move to faust range. Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 20:55 PMMr Carmine Build time is still longer then before. Bazooka removed wich you can buy now from weapon racks yes, reducing the effectines of the armoured skirt price buff. Imo its still worse off overall despite it being cheaper, getting some vet bonusses in acc. Hence imo it isent used much currently The timing is difficult to tell because of the many changes to USF. Think it safe to say that it was not: "nerfed quite a bit over the years". On the contrary it got more utility. Has a new roles to detect cloaked units and counter sniper and a much cheaper investment to get (both in MP and MU) for laying mines. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USA scotts (M8A1)16 Sep 2021, 20:23 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 20:07 PMEsxile You don't get the point. People playing every faction already says that Axis on team game is the easy way. That's not something new but the skill gap between USF and other factions (allied or Axis) has greatly increased since the last few patches. The nerfs the balance team has constantly applied to USF are in fact nerf that greatly impact the player experience. They conscientiously or not increased the skill requirement to use the different units specially on the late game by making them squishier, more vulnerable, less forgivable in case of miss use. That the problem here, it is not that suddenly people are less skilled to play USF, is that instead of balancing the faction the balance team just increase far above the other the skill requirement to use it well. If you miss use a Panther or a Brumbar, you still have the armor hand health pool that can get you out, possible smoke or if vet1 with your panther blitzmode. If you miss use your Jackson, what do you have? nothing. Scott is in fact the last late game unit USF has that allow you mistake with its vet1 smoke and guess what, that's what you want to nerf. The balance team evidently failed to properly balance the game for everyone. The game is balance for the Top1%, that great but you can't simply congratulate yourself with such a little achievement. Only 1% of the player have actually a game balance for their enjoyment. That is completely different issue from: "mod team changes things because they listen to Axis players" Scott can take 3 ATG hits and use smoke making very difficult to counter, it practically more durable than the Calliope. That make the unit hard to balance because it if it perform offensively according to price it will be OP. The objective here is not nerf the unit but to design it better so it better for both player using and the player facing it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF and MP bleed16 Sep 2021, 20:20 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 19:56 PMMr Carmine I think you miss my point. The m20 was nerfed cuz it was to strong, and even with its buffs afterwards it isent used much. So imo its still nerfed more then buffed. Also i didnt mean to try and prove something you posted to be wrong. That simply not the case according to the patch notes: POPULATION CHANGES • M20: 6 to 4 buff M20 The m20 has received some adjustments, as it would have arrived even later, and been even less effective within this new tech structure. Manpower cost from 340 to 240 buff M20 accuracy from 0.75/0.475/0.2 to 0.55/0.45/0.25 buff Weapon accuracy increases with veterancy: +10%/+15%/+15% buff Veterancy requirements lowered from 880/1760/3520 to 500/1000/2000 buff Veterancy 3 reduces time to plant mines by 5 seconds. buff Veterancy 3 increases stealth detection by 10; 35 stealth detection radius from 25 buff M20 Utility Car The M20 has repeatedly been reported as a problem unit by top players, particularly in 1v1. The Bazooka has been removed, as it was seen to make the m20 too difficult to counter, given it already has mines, high speed, smoke, and potential Lieutenant bazooka support in its favour. Build time increased by 10 seconds (M20 will now arrive 20 seconds slower when taking the above tech changes into account) nerf Crew no longer has a bazooka. nerf M20 Utility Car We wanted to introduce counter play against snipers Now has 50% bonus accuracy against sniper types buff Increase detection radius from 10 to 25 buff M20 The M20 is having its build-time reduced so it can arrive sooner onto the battlefield. Furthermore, its armoured skirts are being reduced in price to better match their performance. Build time from 55 to 45 buff Skirt cost from 70 to 50 buff The only real nerf is removing the bazooka which one can still purchase. When the meta changes it does not mean that a unit is up. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USA scotts (M8A1)16 Sep 2021, 19:04 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 18:43 PMEsxile Every time I read your entries, I have the impression you're a Asperger person. This or having a serious superiority complex. .... Let's remember that because Axis players considered that a Jackson having a chance to bounce at max range from a P4 was unbalanced, balance team nerfed the Jackson's armor. Because Axis players considered that Calliope was too hard to dive, they nerfed its armor so it can't bounce anymore and its health so it dies in two shots. And now we have Axis players considering that the already heavily nerfed Scott is too good with pathfinder to nerf both units. That is simply a biased way of looking things. The idea that patches changed depend on what "Axis players" consider OP or Up is simply silly because the MOD's goal is to balance them game and not to please the "Axis players" (or even the allied players). I am pretty sure that people who actually find the game boring and stopped playing is one side was always wining. In addition the idea that there is an army of "Axis player players" is also rather silly since I think that the majority of people play all faction. Actually it very probable that people who stick to 1/2 factions do not really have an all around perspective of the game. Now can pls this "Axis/Allied players mentality. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USA scotts (M8A1)16 Sep 2021, 15:13 PM Pathfinders and majority of CP 0 call-in infatry should become buildalbe from HQ. That would make less map depended and can reduce the power spike of producing multiple units at the same time. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF and MP bleed16 Sep 2021, 13:00 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 12:40 PMMr Carmine Firstly i never stated all usf units are nerfed to the ground although some are. And that is direct result of the US tech revamp which was faction buff and changed the original design of the faction. Actually I had pointed out it at the time. Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 12:40 PMMr Carmine And you almost never see the m6 because people rarely build the m20. Or i must be blind. Saying that m20 has been:"nerfed quite a bit over the years" and m20 is not a very common sense is not nearly the same thing. I am not sure what mods you are playing so I respond to why you do not see it. Anyway I think we can move on. And here are the other buffs m20 got that where missing: "M20 The m20 has received some adjustments, as it would have arrived even later, and been even less effective within this new tech structure. Manpower cost from 340 to 240 M20 accuracy from 0.75/0.475/0.2 to 0.55/0.45/0.25 Weapon accuracy increases with veterancy: +10%/+15%/+15% Veterancy requirements lowered from 880/1760/3520 to 500/1000/2000 Veterancy 3 reduces time to plant mines by 5 seconds. Veterancy 3 increases stealth detection by 10; 35 stealth detection radius from 25" In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW teching clarity16 Sep 2021, 11:42 AM Imo all upgrades and tech bonus like reinforce discount should be move to HQ building so that player has easier access to all that info. In: Lobby
Thread: USF and MP bleed16 Sep 2021, 11:39 AM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2021, 11:10 AMVaz It's performance has been pretty consistent. They made it build faster and reduce the costs associated with it, except the mine which is awesome(you guys need to campaign to nerf that next). Who exactly are you referring as "you guys" and why would anyone want to nerf that? In: COH2 Balance