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Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.25 May 2016, 15:07 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 14:43 PMMr.Smith ... - If your opponent spams nothing but penals, and you decide to spam nothing but grens, vacuum analysis says you will win, if you keep fighting long range engagements. .... This why this thread is not in the balance section. This it not a balance problem and I could had used the ST44 Gren as an example if I had numbers of their St44 (are the the same with SP?). This is a problem from bad design. Penal have about the same far DPS as Guards yet their DPS increase allot faster in close range. That makes attacks from troops ineffective. Unit that Far oriented should benefit little from reducing range like bolt action rifles or even lose DPS like LMGs. In: Lobby
Thread: Cruzz's The More You Know22 May 2016, 07:27 AM Jump back to quoted post20 May 2016, 20:59 PMDead_Optics Cruzz can you look into the Panthers hitbox model. The actual model and the hitbox can be of different sizes. Testing using the model as reference can be mislead, you have to also check the placement of the hitbox with in the model.... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.21 May 2016, 14:38 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 14:26 PMFlying Dustbin How do Penals compare to Guards, seeing as Guards are the only other long range infantry the Soviets have. penal(preview)____34.92__34.92__27.26__21.05__17.42__14.68__12.54__10.81 Guards___________26.68__25.51__21.74__18.93__16.73__13.92__11.53__9.44__2.84 Guards DPs_______25.63__25.79__24.61__23.84__23.31__22.10__20.99__19.69__2.84 In: Lobby
Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.21 May 2016, 14:10 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 14:00 PMPutinist How relevant is received accuracy, and suppression advantage? Suppression? not sure what you mean.. Effective EHP (target size)should be something like that: Vet 0 Penal 680 = 480 EHP Gren 480/0.97 = 330 EHP Vet 1 Penal 80+80/0.97+80/0.97^2+80^3+80/0.97^4+80/0.97^5 = 518, (518+480)/2= 499 EHP estimation Gren 480/0.97 = 330 EHP Vet 2 Penal 499 EHP(estimation) Gren 480/0.97 = 330 EHP Vet 3 Penal =800.77+80/(0.970.77)+80/(0.97^20.77)+80/(0.97^30.77)+80/(0.97^40.77)+80/(0.97^50.77)=631, (631+480)/2= 556 EHP estimation Gren 480/(0.970.77) = 428 EHP But we are drifting a bit off topic (borrowed Penal calculation from Myself...) In: Lobby
Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.21 May 2016, 13:51 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 13:34 PMMr.Smith From these numbers, I am getting that when you put 1 LMG Grenadier squad (240MP, 60MU) against a Penal squad (300MP) and both of them are at Vet0 LMG needs to research T2 it is quite probable that Penal will already have vet 1 by LMG time and vet 1 gives a fighting bonus to them contrary to Grens. As I said the problem is not that Penal are better than average in FAR they are also very good in other rangers also. That make relative positioning against them not very rewarding... A similar issues probably exist with St44 VGs. In: Lobby
Thread: Ostheer lategame needs a buff21 May 2016, 12:41 PM It is my opinion that with the latest patch UKF and Wer come out comparatively weaker. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.21 May 2016, 12:14 PM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 11:29 AMMr.Smith However: - How do Vet0 LMG grens DPS compare vs Penals? - What about Vet3 LMG grens DPS vs Vet3 Penals? range(0)range(5)range(10)range(15)range(20)range(25)range(30)range(35) penal(preview) 34.92 34.92 27.26 21.05 17.42 14.68 12.54 10.81 Lmg Gren 23.61 22.19 20.69 19.56 18.69 17.99 17.06 16.00 As I say don't have the actual numbers so I can factor in the veterancy bonuses...but as I said the more veterancy the better Penal get... Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 11:29 AMMr.Smith In my mind, the new Penals are supposed to be a long-range shock unit. Thus, received accuracy is not as important as (offensive) accuracy, which would help you get a breakthrough (if the fight takes half a minute to resolve, there goes your flank). Long range infantry should be using bolt action rifles and LMG that deliver more damage per shot but fire slower and improve very little with range (or get worse). SVT uses Semi automatic characteristics (fast firing great improvement with range) but Bolt action accuracy, it simply wrong...Probably the same applies to ST44 VG but on squad level by mixing weapons that good at all ranges...again I don't have the number for VG ST44... In: Lobby
Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.21 May 2016, 11:14 AM Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 11:02 AMMr.Smith - Penals cost a lot more to call-in/reinforce Penal are not allot more to reinforce due to 4 vs 6. Gren reinforce with 30 penal with 25...if you factor in merge Penal are even more cost efficient. Jump back to quoted post21 May 2016, 11:02 AMMr.Smith 4. What does the DPS comparison look like when all squads are at Vet3 (or Vet5), and Grens/Volks have upgraded their guns? Unfortunately don't have the actual number for the new Penal SVT, I am using the DPs provided by firespark. So I can't factor in those parameters in graphs... From testing thou, things become even worse for axis...When I tested vet3 LMG gren vs Vet3 Penal the Penal would lose win losing 1-2 entities (range about 35 heavy cover)...The vet bonuses for Penal all wrong. They get probably the best total accuracy bonus while the weapon fire way to often... Main point here is that they have too much FAR DPS and most axis infantry do not even gain enough of an advantage by closing in. It way better for small arms firefight if unit perform good only in one range. In: Lobby
Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.21 May 2016, 10:22 AM Note that the Penal squad out DPS both Volks and grens at all ranges, (while both units are designed for long range) the weapon is simply too good at all ranges. In: Lobby
Thread: Suggested improvements to Small arms weapons.20 May 2016, 12:49 PM This weapon do not work well together. The squad has rather flat DPS curve above range 15 and the DPS stay the same when model drops. In addition any attempt to close in with AR or Carbine or SMG and the unis will be facing the DPS of smg and the armor of the squad. In: Lobby