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Thread: Balance Mod: Trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer.12 May 2016, 11:12 AM Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 11:05 AMdrChengele 1) Shorter range mortar for USF, Penals buff and Su85 buffnerfs does not equate with faction redesign... You might want to check the patch notes again. USF HMG ATG received buffs, the USF mortar is not sort it range it is the slightly better from Wer one, which it considered the best in the game. Soviet had 5 of their stock units buffed not 2. The OKW shreck change did very little to change OWK blobs... But again these are details and not important. Redesign factions is not bad, although trying to redesign 3 of them at the same time can be. And I have explained why imo other issues should be first addressed before going down that road. It is the priority and way the redesigning is made not the redesign itself. In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Mod: Trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer.12 May 2016, 10:51 AM Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 10:31 AMKatitof Kubel suppression was hardly a small change as it got more tanky and allowed to cap points-that is not a small change, that is a unit revamp. I was reffing to change in the time to pin not the revamp of kubel. Was probably poorly written. Focusing in details here is little importance here. If factions need a redesign they need a redesign and that should be the primary goal of the patch and not unit diversity. My point here is that Relic has been radically changing staff for year, imo they should take a minute fix the very large numbers of issues that have not been touched for years, see where they are and if needed redesign faction from the start. Else the same issues will remain with half the units and abilities in the game seeing very little action. In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Mod: Trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer.12 May 2016, 10:44 AM Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 10:15 AMElSlayer I understand what you mean, but in my opinion you're making a mistake right in the basis of your claims - you're assuming that INITIAL faction design is GOOD. So that means that ANY meaningful changes to it are BAD. I have not claimed that the initial faction design is good. If factions need redesign one would have to set that as his basic goal and work on that. Trying to increase diversity by changing faction design is wrong because you are not actually redesign the faction just trying to patch the weakness of the faction without taking into account their strength. As you pointed the current changes make Soviet USF and OKW more alike while leaving UKF as the odd one. Lastly trying to redesign 3 faction at the same seems to me like a recipe for disaster... Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 10:15 AMElSlayer Indeed there is a good portion of "lazy" design in veterancy abilities. Changing that would definitely bring joy for many players, but I don't think that these changes are enough make meta shifts. I guess we have to disagree in this one, imo it can have a profound affect in balance. Imo UKF forces will demonstrate that, they changes they had did not redesign them but imo will have a deep impact in their game. In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Mod: Trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer.12 May 2016, 09:43 AM Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 09:21 AMKatitof I agree, but we've been proven already that small changes on the long run are not enough, especially in regards to units that have fallen out of meta or were never part of it. ... Not sure who this "we" is but a I can't agree. A simple changes like the suppression of the kubel or the crush on SWS trucks had dramatic impact on the game. A large amount of small changes, that are needed, is imo a far better way to go, at this point of the game. Your post seem to indicate that the game is currently not balanced and imo it is. The problem thus has to do more with units being underused not that a faction is stronger than another. The current faction design can work in most cases. Trying to redesigning the faction by improving their weakness but not nerfing their strength is imo a steps in the wrong direction. Take OKW for instance infantry blob will probably continue to dominate their play... In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Mod: Trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer.12 May 2016, 09:12 AM Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 09:00 AMKatitof Wrong, USF design is to have limited options at the start of the game and expand them with flexible tech and side upgrades. Regardless of what I or you think that game design for USF faction was the patch changes it. Once more the point of this thread is to highlight that this patch tries to fix diversity but does so in very long an complicated road and in the expense of balance... I can debate specific but their little point in it... In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Mod: Trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer.12 May 2016, 08:41 AM Jump back to quoted post12 May 2016, 08:20 AMElSlayer ...While I agree on OKW, I don't see how changes to SU or USF are "drastic". I think you're overreacting about these. ... As I pointed out creating new strategies can be very easily achieved by minor adjustment to units. The changes introduced are changing faction design. USF where design to have strong mainline infantry strong light vehicle play and weak support weapons. Now their support weapons are buffed to a level that is close to Wer and that is faction redesign. SU where designed to have weak stock units and very efficient doctrinal units. Now their Penals are buff to riflemen levels in AI and another 4 stock units received buffs again that is faction redesigned. OKW are all over the place receiving a huge buff in AI buff in their infantry again being redesigned. That leaves UKF one of the factions needing redesign almost untouched and Wer probably in about the same place and probably struggling against the new Soviet and USF. On the other hand, improvement that are easy to implement and could improve game quality allot more, are left forgotten and will probably remain so since the next patches will be trying to fix the problems this patch will create: EFA armies veterancy are almost identical for most units of the same type and remain the same although most of this units have seen drastic changes. Unit abilities remain mostly the same for EFA. I mean how many trip wire flares, tank that can cap and medic kits does player need? Commander abilities remain the same although the new abilities are usually far better than the old ones. And there is still a large number of bugs. Dealing with this issues would change the meta with far less impact on overall balance. Exactly when does Relic intends to deal with this issues that are there for years? In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Mod: Trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer.12 May 2016, 07:47 AM One of the Goal of the "April 27th Balance Preview Mod" mod is to increase strategic diversity. Instead of introducing small changes improving underused units, the changes it implement to OKW,SU and USF are so drastic and so out of faction design that are actually tantamount to redesigning these factions. Trying to redesign 3 faction at the same time while leaving the other relatively unchanged in order to increase strategic diversity is like trying to kill a fly with sledgehammer. It will create far more problems that is will solve and it will take several patches to bring back the game in the current level of balance. In: Lobby
Thread: Balance Suggestions6 May 2016, 11:41 AM Jump back to quoted post6 May 2016, 11:18 AMAerohank Please keep the Sturmpio shreck debate out of this topic, it will simply derail it and the next 10 replies are all going to be about sturmpio shrecks instead of my suggestions. That was simply because I copied and pasted from the official forum. My point here is that being able to upgun engineer type units makes them have too much utility. Engineers with LMG and AT weapons can replace mainline infantry and in addition repair vehicles too fast with the vet bonuses. Having 2 separated paths for engineers, either a fighting unit or a repair unit would fix the problem. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Balance Suggestions6 May 2016, 11:15 AM Imo the utility of the upgunned engineer type units is simply too much and thing are going to be worse when SP get shrecks. SO I have suggested this that could apply to other engineer also: _Sturmpioneers_ PS to S.P. is bad for the same reason weapon upgrades to R.E. and RO.E are bad. Engineer type unit have to much utility and should not replace mainline infantry. In addition with the high veterancy they can repair tank too fast allowing them to return in the field too fast...Imo SP should be redesigned if this is to work. Suggestions: 1) Replace 2 STG with 2 K98 and decrease price to 280. This change aim to lower the AI of the unit so that is it can not perform all the roles. 2) Remove the ability to repair from the unit or greatly decrease repair speed, but keep building options and allow them to cut wire, since it still a engineer type unit. This change aim at reducing the utility of the unit. Change vet 2 vet bonuses and vet 5 vet bonuses with combat stat. 3) Offer 2 stock upgrade (minesweepers, PS) and 1 doctrinal (flamer) that are mutually exclusive and replace 1 of the ST 44. Minesweepers now allow SP to repair, adds the live veterancy bonuses and give a small amount of experience when the unit repairs. This change aim at creating to 2 different paths for SP either the role of a fighting unit with a weapon upgrade or the role of repair unit. Without these change SP will simply have too much utility and will be spammed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Miragefla's December Balance Mod Additions30 Apr 2016, 07:33 AM Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2016, 07:23 AMmiragefla I don't see what's wrong if Penals can beat most early squads at most range given it's a dedicated AI unit from a dedicated AI building... They ignore relative positioning. Gren will beat conscripts at far range but will lose at mid, Pg will beat riflemen mid distance but will lose at far. Penals are far too good at all ranges and on top of that by vet 2 they can chose the distance they want to fight with ourah... Their accuracy is way to high and get better with veterancy and when losing members... Penal should have a range that they are weaker. In: Modding and Tools