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Thread: Why DBP is destined not to work18 Nov 2017, 12:18 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2017, 12:08 PM__deleted__ Better throw a dice again, wishing for a better number than staying on a number 2 forever. Don't you think? No, actually I think that instead of completely redesign the game everyone now and then, long standing issues should be fixed first and then see what else can be improved. For instance the vet abilities of EFA need an overhaul like 3 years ago , while a great number of commander abilities need to be looked at. The patch trend so far is, something becomes OP everyone abuses it, its nerfed to oblivion yet another thing if buffed to becomes OP then rinse and repeat, while a great number of simple issues that could greatly improve the game remains unfixed. In: Lobby
Thread: Why DBP is destined not to work18 Nov 2017, 12:05 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2017, 12:01 PM__deleted__ The patch preview was fine but the at the last minute relic chaged usf mortar from normal to OP level, created millions of bugs and ninjas and scrapped most of changes. So we ended up with OKW without fuel penalty and with OP volks but veterancy or tank fuel costs wasn't changed at all. And so on and so forth Penal where OP a hell USF mortar was OP even in the preview VG ST44 are still op T-34 is op and what make you think that there will not be the same problems with bugs ninjas changes this time? and so on so forth. In: Lobby
Thread: Why DBP is destined not to work18 Nov 2017, 11:54 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2017, 11:44 AMEsxile ... If we would give you the command of the patch, sure we would have a broken game with Ostheer and OKW on top of everything else, your vision is completely biais in favor of one faction which is not an issue if you are willing to admit it and think yourself about it before posting. After all any human have preferencies, things we like more than others... This is not about me nor about what your assumptions about "my" vision are. Its about being too ambitious in changes. The DBP completely redesigns UKF, commanders, makes serious changes to OKW and redesigns ATGs. The changes of getting all this changes right are very slim. Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2017, 11:44 AMEsxile ...It is hard for them and us to see if something totally OP will eject from the patch, it would take a lot of time for that, too much time for the game life. ... Then they should start with needed changes that are simply and introduce major changes slowly. bug fixes, commander redesign, FRP and repair speed are all changes with a big impact. One can stop there evaluate these changes and then move on. In: Lobby
Thread: Why DBP is destined not to work18 Nov 2017, 11:11 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2017, 09:13 AM__deleted__ If 90% of those changes are good and help the game (conscript changes, penal changes, maximum changes, commander revamp, tank combat balance, demos, nerf Ing cheese tactics and abilities (brace, scas, arty in fow,...) Many QoL changes, bug fixes and so on. The there are maybe few changes I don't agree with. I tank it is much better to implement into the game a patch that moves the game 9 steps forward and 1 step back than to keep the game in a current state of balance limbo forver. At least there will be new meta, new wind so players will come and play coh2 more. Bigger strategical viability = entertaining game That was what "JUNE 21st" patch attempted, the result? a broken game. In: Lobby
Thread: Why DBP is destined not to work17 Nov 2017, 19:18 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 16:54 PMEtherealDragon ... Way I see it with patches so few and far between they need to fix as many things as possible and so far most of the changes pass the smell test for me ... What they need to do is break as little things as possible else win are going to have another "JUNE 21st" patch issue, that the next 10-15 patch are still trying to fix... In: Lobby
Thread: Commander Revamp concerns17 Nov 2017, 16:03 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 16:01 PM__deleted__ I have already won coutless games with mobile defense double puma -> command p4 -> pantha spam in 1v1 mode. I have never found a useful place for commander vehicle, because it cannot a)keep up with other tanks b) is squishy as hell or expensive as garden (the fuel of tank cost is wasted because it is useless vehicle in combat) Test it in mod. In: Lobby
Thread: Commander Revamp concerns17 Nov 2017, 15:57 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 15:44 PMMarkedRaptor ... The problem with the command ability is that you end up having to sacrifice a pretty good vehicle in order to make it a commander, wheras the panzer 4 command tank is actually pretty damn good at killing units. ... Command vehicle comes earlier and is far superior to Command PzIV (which only good vs soft targets and vet rather slow). In addition the infantry (and some of vehicles) it support are far better. In: Lobby
Thread: Commander Revamp concerns17 Nov 2017, 13:24 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 04:02 AMMrBananaGrabber. I know it's too early to give detailed informed feedback. I just want to say that I'm really surprised that instead of a big revamp it's more a series of very minor tweaks... UKF are practically redesigned, the patch already bring sweeping changes to game play and the commander changes are big. The problem with older Patchs from Relic was that they tented to overbuff or overnerf units. Imo this path at this stage of the game is wrong. Changes should aim at improving the current game and not redesign it. In: Lobby
Thread: Why DBP is destined not to work17 Nov 2017, 10:27 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 01:14 AMEtherealDragon I don't get that school of thought at all. All of the changes aren't just for shits and giggles but as a natural extension of the goals of the DBP to address known balance issues or are extremely unlikely to cause major balance changes on their own but are good for the game regardless (e.g. StuG MG buff). I'd love to see your list of changes that you think are truly questionable or likely for them to get wrong and seriously mess up balance. Off the top of my head I think maybe the Conscript or Jackson changes and maybe Ostwind could seriously go wrong somehow in some unforeseen way but I think the team also knows that. But either way it's pretty defeatist to think that it's going to be bad (especially if people actually play and offer feedback) If one only applies the FRP point changes, the repair speed changes, the commander changes and the bug fixes the impact will be substantial. On top of that come a plethora of changes, from mainline infantry, to support weapons, to atgs ,to tanks, to artillery, to off map. And on top of that a redesign of UKF. A simply example is UKF trenches. When first introduced trenches for axis where CP 0. Relic then found them problematic and moved them to CP 2. Now UKF get trenches from the start of the game that can be used by their allies in team games, it is highly probable that it will create issues. In: Lobby
Thread: Why DBP is destined not to work16 Nov 2017, 23:41 PM If one wants to debate specific of changes or weather allied get on top or axis with patch,one can do so in any of the many threads . This is thread is simply trying to point out that the number of changes (that affect all stages of the game are so numerous) making it too difficult to get everything right. In: Lobby