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Pathfinders are really squishy, to the point where they make Grenadiers look like uber-tanks, and will lose models fast.
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I don't really see why Grenadier appear so much tougher compared to Pathfinders.

First of all the combination of camo and sight radius allows pathfinder to chose their fights.

Grenadiers have 0.91 TS while Pathfinder have 1 (which is important but not the difference between "really squishy" and "uber-tanks") but grenadier are facing infantry that can close in and have more firepower.

By vet 2 Pathfinder get a Target size of 0.71 becoming tougher than grenadiers, while Grenadiers have to wait until vet 3 to get 0.70 TS. To make thing even worse Pathfinder have a lower XP value thus vet faster.

By vet 3 Pathfinder can fire out side the range of enemy infantry.

Pathfinder in heavy cover can stand against grenadier in heavy cover.

Basically Pathfinder (both versions) are extremely cost efficient units and become even more cost efficient combined with weapons that can spread damage like mortars, HMGs and bars (and generally explosive/ballistic weapons).

Vipper showing his amazing knowledge about the game It can cap when in recon mode. It is non doctrinal and there is no cloak ability for t70.

Well it seem my knowledge is fine since there is a cloak ability for T-70, T-34/76, SU-76 and Su-85. It is doctrinal as I explained and its called "Tank Hunter Ambush Tactics".

Since T-70 can activate recon mode while cloaked as I said it can cap ever when cloaked.

Hi,
I thaught this ability was removed, yet I can still use it.

It has been merged with recon mode. Now it cap even when cloaked.

Russia Marks 75th Anniversary Of the Bloody Battle Of Stalingrad with a number of events.

Lets all try to keep in mind how horrible war really is.

That is not exaclty true, only a few "elite" squads got their reinforcement ever changed.

It is completely accurate. Check the reinforcement cost for most units that had their cost changed in the recent patches. You will see that the "rules" about reinforcement cost, time and build time where not taken into consideration indicating that they no longer apply.

There is at least 20 team weapons in the game. Only maxim, DShK and MG-34 don't follow the rule and in case of MG-34 it is just a 1mp discount (which still makes it the cheapest to reinforce mg in the game). MG-34 is actually cheaper to reinforce than MG-42.

I only mentioned HMGs. The rule did not apply to them before the latest patches and it does not apply now either.

HMG-34 reinforcement cost was higher then that of HMG-42 before the patch as I pointed out.

Currently the HMG-34 (with a 250 manpower cost cheapest), is only 0.5 cheaper to reinforce than the 280 manpower HMG and more expensive than 300 Dshk.

The cheapest to reinforce remain the maxim and Dhsk because the comparison must be done per entity and not from a crew of 1.

Comparing full reinfocement cost is the only solution. If you try to ballance the costs around single entity cost, then all you get is that bigger squads are disadvantaged by their size and become just a manpower sink. Remember that these models are actually weaker to compensate for the squad size. For example if conscripts were 30 to reinforce like grens, they would also have to be as good in combat as grens. Nobody would like that ballance wise.

The crew of HMG are not weaker that are almost identical, so the comparison must be done per entity and NOT for full squad. That means that Dhsk is the cheapest to reinforce although it is the most expensive to buy.

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At the issue of this tread imo one could indirectly nerf HMG spam by:

reduce the speed or even remove the ability to Cap
increase reinforcement time.
remove sprint from hmgs
make AP round vet 1 ability for 0.50/dhsk that work similar to current Dhsk levels and scales with veterancy
Check if HMG-42 need any adjustments.