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Thread: OKW infantry anti-tank is not sufficient17 Feb 2018, 17:20 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2018, 01:11 AMSkysTheLimit Nope, its not just about time to kill and TDs. Actually it is also about time to kill (T.T.K.) since you clearly wrote that Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 18:13 PMSkysTheLimit Time to kill doesn't mean anything whatsoever, given that you have to pretend nothing else wants to shoot at the TD while it just chips away at a heavy. Now TTK is used for ballistic weapons the same way DPS is used as for small arms fire. If you accept DPS as one indicator of infantries performance you must also accept TTK as one. So do you accept DPS as an indicator? Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2018, 01:11 AMSkysTheLimit Again, it's about your vacuum scenarios in general. Let me try again: putting two units down (Tds, infantry, whatever anything) and seeing how long it takes 1 to kill the other when the other isn't allowed to try to fight back is a stupid waste of time. That easier to understand? Unless I'm wrong and its totally normal for KTs to just cement themselves in place when a Tank Destroyer starts shooting at them.... So it is personal? Only in this case the data does not come from me, I am only using them. They come from Mr.Smith if you do no not agree with his method feel free to debate the issue with him. https://www.coh2.org/topic/56469/tank-destroyer-time-to-kill-stats Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2018, 01:11 AMSkysTheLimit What is the "far superior" for? No one said anything about far superior, and I'm not even the one who said the SU85 was much worse. There is little point in playing word games. ferwiner wrote: Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 17:55 PMferwiner ...jp4 is the best non doc AT in the game. Plus it costs roughly as much as a SU85, which is much worse than jp4... To which I responded that SU-85 is not "much worse"(or that JP is "far superior" than SU-85). So do you agree with ferwiner that Su-85 is much worse than JP or not and you arguing with me is simply personal? Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2018, 01:11 AMSkysTheLimit And what's (?!) for? Ping=deflecting a shell/round/etc., tank crews have described that action as "pinging" for some time. Only hand held AT weapon do not "ping" because the do deflection damage even if they fail to penetrate. In addition if a JP is in range of enemy AT infantry it is a good time to get it out of there. Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2018, 01:11 AMSkysTheLimit I didn't say anything about armor being a good indicator for TD comparison, I only pointed out the armor difference for these 2 TDs specifically because that is the only significant difference between them. They are relatively even everywhere else, except with a difference of 90 armor. No it not. JP has a penetration 200/185/170 and Su-85 has penetration of 240/230/220 In other word SU-85 has more penetration far than JP has close. In addition Su-85 gets even more penetration at vet 2. (It also gets more accuracy and better reload modifiers than the JP) To make thing even worse the Su-85 has a lower XP value while generally fighting tanks with higher XP value. So the question still stands, in you opinion is the Su-85 "far worse" than the JP? and if so why? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW infantry get killed easily while even retreating! 17 Feb 2018, 16:48 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2018, 10:05 AMSon of Malice 5 levels of veterancy were adjusted so now they are equal to 3 lvl veterancy that have ally inf. ... No they were not adjusted. The combat bonuses of vet 4 and vet 5 where simply removed. That leaves VG with less fighting bonuses than conscripts at vet 3 and only utility bonuses for vet 4 and vet5. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW infantry anti-tank is not sufficient16 Feb 2018, 21:36 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 18:13 PMSkysTheLimit I can't believe you still go to these numbers from tests in vacuum when you compare units. 230 armor vs 140 might have something to do with it. Time to kill doesn't mean anything whatsoever, given that you have to pretend nothing else wants to shoot at the TD while it just chips away at a heavy. Jp4 can actually ping mediums/infantry AT trying to rush it which you know, might actually happen if your targeting a heavy tank with a Tank Destroyer. And the SU85 costs 130 fuel not 120. Has since the reload/penetration adjustment. Let me see if I get this straight. In your opinion time to kill Tanks is bad way to measuring the effectiveness of TDs. Instead their armor is and thus Jp is "far superior" because it has 230/80 armor compared to Su-85 that has 140/70. In addition JP4 can "ping" (?!) AT infantry and that is why it "far superior". Did I get this right? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet sniper16 Feb 2018, 19:46 PM According to: https://www.coh2.org/guides/52852/the-coh2-ability-guide Recon Sweeps and Overflights Reveals all camouflaged unit types and units in the fog of war. Currently the Ostheer Recon overflight and Recon pass abilities do not reveal camouflaged units like the other recon flights. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW infantry anti-tank is not sufficient16 Feb 2018, 18:02 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 17:55 PMferwiner Overpriced stug come on, jp4 is the best non doc AT in the game. Plus it costs roughly as much as a SU85, which is much worse than jp4. The only runner up to the jp4 is the jackson, but it is more expensive and still not as good. Su-85 is much worse than JP? Su-85 time to kill a KT Vet 0 62.40 - 79.35 Vet 3 36.81 - 50.52 SU-85 time to kill a Tiger Vet 0 39.80 - 56.75 Vet 3 27.67 - 32.24 JP time to kill IS-2 Vet 0 65.25 - 85.25 Vet 3 50.74 - 66.27 All that while costing: JP 400/135 14 POP Su-85 350/130 12 POP I don't really see how SU-85 is "much worse". In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet sniper16 Feb 2018, 13:11 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 12:42 PMHighfiveeeee Yes, this is correct. But still it is incomprehensible in my opinion to not just say 'well, fuck the idea. Ost and Sovs both have one guy and they can countersniper each other, gg' but then to tweak complicated aim times, balance it via incendiary shots and cloak times, etc... It's like we have a tree on our path and instead of removing the tree, we build the road around it. Only for the sake of having something 'special'. Well the approach of a spotter member and sharp shooter member is a good start. That would make the sniper team become less efficient if the lose a member. (One could have the team spawn with only the spotter member and have to upgrade to the shooter member.) Another change that could help all sniper would be to reduce damage 64 and have more damage vs support weapons even if it meant reducing price.(or reduce the HP of support weapons to 60 and their TS to 1). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet sniper16 Feb 2018, 12:37 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 12:35 PMHighfiveeeee I also never understood why Relic held so tightly to that cheesy decision to have Soviet sniper teams. I'm pretty sure that someone 2012 just came up with the idea 'Hey guys, let's give Sovs a sniper. BUT TWO!' The soviet mod of COH also used a sniper team. In real life sniper also work as team. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Vickers K LMG (Special Weapons Regiment) vs Bren LMG16 Feb 2018, 12:15 PM Bren has slightly better DPS long range. On the other hand Vickers-K allows Ro.E to equip 2 or even 3 LMGs. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: OKW troops compared to SU/UKF/USF 16 Feb 2018, 12:03 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 11:23 AMCombatWombat Are you suggesting that unit tests are worthless? ... No I am saying that one can: either form a theory and then check its validity with appropriate test or one can perform test and then see if he can form a theory based on the results. Both are solid scientific approaches. In the end of the day ,if you do not like the test contacted, run your own set of the test with the parameters you like so then other can come and criticize your work. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW troops compared to SU/UKF/USF 16 Feb 2018, 09:42 AM Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2018, 08:17 AMCombatWombat I do applaud and encourage people to do tests however, one needs to be clear about the purpose of the tests in order to define the test conditions. Actually no one can simply contact a test and then see how one can use those results. Especially since OP draw no conclusion from his tests. In: COH2 Balance