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Thread: Brit tank scatter18 Jul 2018, 13:03 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2018, 12:46 PMroll0 I literally listed those things in my posts friend, at least you can admit you ignored my points though. Btw wehr pintles can also shoot down recon planes, I'll pick apart your argument with a detailed response tonight. Did you know the Sherman has better AI than the okw p4 and is CHEAPER? Gosh horror, must be op (Sherman also has better penetration, stock smoke and a crew than can disembark.) On the other hand, you are the one that has based your suggestion on cost difference cherry picking the only OP stat T-34s have, not me. I also seems to me that you are taking a balance issue too personally, this a forum for people to give their opinion. "Picking apart" others people arguments should not be ones priority. The game is probably in stage where in most cases small to medium changes are need no more over-buffs and over-nerfs. A x200% (plus) buff as you propose is simply way too much. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter18 Jul 2018, 12:11 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2018, 11:59 AMroll0 Again you're ignoring the fact the P4 mg is a pintle and can do more DPS in most engagements than a hull mg that can only fire forwards. Again you're ignoring the P4 still will keep it's superior armour allowing it to bully infantry. I listed the pros and cons, but go ahead and post the Cromwell mg buff required to even put it on par with the 76 and prove my point for me again And you are ignoring that PzIV is more expensive, less mobile, has less sight, has less penetration (if I remember correctly)... The Cromwell can easily stand against a PzIV where it can use its superior mobility and sight to flank a PzIV or break the engagement if things do not go its way. Vs infantry Cromwell can again use the same advantages to kite Ostheer infantry easier. All that while Cromwell still being cheaper than the PzIV and UKF AT infantry being more cost efficient. My point is that, you chose a single stat and compare it across different factions and units and thus your conclusion are simply wrong. Using your logic I would come to the conclusion that the PzIV should also have its hull/coaxial mg buffed to T-34 level since it much more expensive than the T-34 or have AP rounds since the cheaper Sherman has them along with another number of perk like stock smoke and disembarking crew. Balancing simply does not work that way. The fact remains that T-34 have some of the best (if not the best hull and coaxial mgs) and the fact that other tanks can upgrade with pintle does not justify making tanks that can not (upgrade to pintle, costing MU) get the same DPS as T-34. If that was the case you should be asking for OKW doctrinal commander upgrade to also buff the Tanks mg to T-34s levels, provide sight +10 and increase accuracy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter18 Jul 2018, 11:54 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2018, 11:42 AMroll0 Yes it does prove my point, every time you defend the current numbers you point out how useless and bottom of the pile Cromwell MG's are! It's not rocket science! I see you've ignored the fact the T-34/76 DPS in insistent on the hull gun being able to fire too. MG42 might cost muni but its upgrade cost is cheap as chips lategame and gives you 360 coverage while you flank and chase down units for wipes. This is the reason it was buffed so high, both guns aren't as mobile as dshk/MG42/50cal Turret gunners. All the Cromwell mg buff would be doing would be putting it on par with PIV and t-34/76 in as the test earlier ITT showed. This is not producing a "crutch", P4 will still have it's armour advantage. The fact remain coaxial and hull of the Cromwell are about average. If that in your opinion is problem you should be asking for a Pintle mg upgrade for the Cromwell to become available. The test proves very little do. Do the same 10 with a Cromwell vs a grenadier and a PzIV (without pintle) vs a Tommie. You will probably find out that the time to kill are about the same. What you are asking is that: Cromwell should have the same DPS as an up-gunned PzIV while still be able to upgrade with commander gaining sight 45 and better accuracy and still be cheaper than the PzIV. And you base your argument on the fact the Cromwell is more expensive than T-34, while Cromwell is cheaper than PzIV so your argument does not really make any sense. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter18 Jul 2018, 10:05 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 12:55 PMroll0 It does prove my point, Cromwell is still at the bottom of the pile in AI despite costing about same as Sherman. Handing picking and comparing specific stats does not help. Compared to Sherman Cromwell is allot more mobile. Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 12:55 PMroll0 Nothing in that all of text seems to address or even attempt to justify why Cromwell AI is worse than any other tank despite costing more. Nerfed commander upgrade doesn't add the DPS of MG42 or 50.cal and HE shells. Again the pintle mg cost Munition making these vehicle more expensive than Cromwell. Why are you complaining about the Cromwell having worse AI than the PzIV and not about the PzIV having to spend munition to get the same AI as the cheaper T-34/76? Once more my, point was not that Cromwell may or may not need a buff but that the buff you suggested is simply too high. And once more, if Cromwell in your opinion should have similar DPS with its 2 hmg as the PzIV has with 3 hmg while firing at smaller size squads than the pintle mgs should come free. Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 12:55 PMroll0 Now tell me if T-34/76 is so OP and cheap for the cost then why do we hardly see them built compared to KV or 85's? T-35/85 are superior while using the exact some OP mgs, making them one of the most cost efficient medium tanks. KV-1 where simply over-buffed having low repair time and very high rear armor. Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 12:55 PMroll0 You're literally the only person I've ever seen argue they are OP, the fact is they were useless before the MG buff. Making Cromwell and comet worth their cost is not producing "crutches" any more than the panther MG buff or t-34 mg buff turned it into a "crutch" by your theory crafting. I did not claim T-34/76 are OP I claimed their mg are. T-34/76 are very cost effective units, especially if you compare them with Ostwinds for about the same price. And once more what I said is that your suggestion of buffing Cromwell's mg to " at least on par with t-34/76" is simply too high. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter17 Jul 2018, 08:29 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 03:28 AMroll0 The whole idea you NEED a buff this big to be on par should tell you how God awful the Cromwell MG's are. You are proving my point for me. As I explained the anomaly here is the T-34 that has nearly so much DPS from the 2 mgs that other tanks get from 3 than they also have to pay MU to upgrade. So no it does prove you point, Cromwell hull/coaxial mg are in line with most of other tanks. If a change is need that should include the majority of Tanks (which should actually happen since the curves of these weapon seem to be all over the place). Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 03:28 AMroll0 Now post the PIV mg DPS with pintle, Cromwell is bottom of the pile by a long shot despite being a similar price to the Sherman.The stats and abilities are straight up inferior to the Sherman which has radionet and crew repair and smoke. Cromwell only has smoke stock as a unit. >Muh tech costs The Pintle cost MU and makes those vehicle more expensive than Cromwell in both fuel and MU. If the 2 mg should have about the same DPS as the 3 available to other tank then pintle mg should come free. You also forgetting that Cromwell gets an officer for less MU increasing accuracy and Sight. Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2018, 03:28 AMroll0 Try surviving against current axis meta without 5 man or AEC sweetie. I've seen you and Dane bringing up British tech before if you cutout sidegrades but you don't seem to realize how hard it is to survive without AEC tech against actual good players. Making UKF unit OP/abilities OP to cover the shortcomings of the faction is actually very bad design and should stop. The faction needs an overhaul not some OP unit to carry it. My point is simple, an argument that Cromwell needs its mg buffed to T-34 level because it is simply more expensive does not hold water, if that was the case the more expensive tanks would had to have even better mgs. Doing a comparison taking into account only the strongest point of a unit (T-34 mgs in this case) is simply misleading (especially since Cromwell is superior in most stats). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter16 Jul 2018, 17:44 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 17:05 PMMongal It depends on how you look at it. If the cromwell needs 175% and 232% buff to reach the t34 levels then that just shows you how bad the cromwell mgs are. Or T-34 have far superior mg than most tanks and should have them nerfed. And that is closer to the reality since Cromwell has average hmg. Or Other tanks should also have their hmg buffed. The "anomaly" here is T-34 not Cromwell. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter16 Jul 2018, 16:52 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 16:19 PMroll0 Why is it funny? Cromwell is not worth the cost for AI. Sherman gets HE and better mg's, t-34 does good mg damage and is cheap. So what are you paying extra fuel and lack of AI for? Slightly faster turret rotarion and speed? I would rather have a tank that could kill things Because you make it sound like T-34 has average DPS on mgs and thus Cromwell should get at least average DPS on the hmg. You area actually talking about: x160-175% buff to DPS for coaxial X240-232% buff to DPS for hull Those are very big buffs. In addition if you think that the difference between T-34/76 and Cromwell is "Slightly faster turret rotarion and speed" you should check their stats, abilities and tech cost again. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter16 Jul 2018, 15:15 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2018, 14:09 PMroll0 Cromwell needs mg buff to put it's AI dps at least on par with t-34/76 Your choice of words is a bit funny since T-34 have some of the best hull/coaxial hmg. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: King Tiger balance fix: smoke launchers13 Jul 2018, 16:02 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2018, 15:38 PMJohnSmith Where the hell do I say that? I said i'd rather have less smoke in the game within the context of the thread and the discussion; I do not say "I suggest to remove the smoke from all allied tanks that have it". I wasn't even replying to you, I was adding to the general discussion. You need to read, geez, these axis lovers.. Since you now are aware to whom you replying I would suggest that you stick to what you have agreed and stop quoting, responding or mention me in anyway, else will simply not be trustworthy. Bye bye now. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: King Tiger balance fix: smoke launchers13 Jul 2018, 15:26 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2018, 13:31 PMJohnSmith tbh i'd rather see less smoke in the game too. Then you suggest that smoke is removed from all the allied tanks that have it. Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2018, 14:48 PMJohnSmith TDs are not always equal to ATs options and vice-versa. Katitof clearly wrote his post about TDs and not AT-options, please mind the distinction before telling others are wrong. Edit: Oh, I should have checked the username first before replying, ah well, it is posted now... TDs and AT option are not the same but what Katitof clearly wrote was that allies has only 1 TD that has to do all, which simply Bullshit, they have plenty of good option to deal with the majority of axis vehicles. Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2018, 11:57 AMKatitof ... Allies have 1 TD to do it all, axis can choose with what they can engage. ... In: COH2 Balance