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Thread: King Tiger balance fix: smoke launchers13 Jul 2018, 14:45 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2018, 14:34 PMelchino7 Your 2nd part is correct, but how the hell is a Pershing, 85s or AEC TDs ? That is why I wrote AT option and not TDs. My point is and remains that picture painted was misleading. (side note, Katitof has decided to baptize Pumas as a TD and would make AEC a TD also) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: King Tiger balance fix: smoke launchers13 Jul 2018, 12:59 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2018, 11:57 AMKatitof ... Allies have 1 TD to do it all, axis can choose with what they can engage. ... Allies have a number a great AT option like ISU-152, SU-85, Su-76, T-34/85, M36, M10, Persing, FF AEC and AT weapon in an number of infantry units. Saying they "have 1 TD for to do it all" is simply not true, misleading and it's also bad design. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 15:29 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 14:30 PMgbem 1. they used to be able to do the same roles... which was light AT... now the puma is simply better at that... 2. similar accuracy + judging by those numbers a slightly better accuracy curve... sure its pen is bad but its a really good cavalry tank 3. which would essentially make it a horrible version of an SU-85... You are entitled to your opinion even if it is so clearly wrong. The fact remains that the need some changes (like higher XP value) but unit is cost efficient with its current performance. Have little to add, bb. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 14:26 PM Puma and SU-76 are unit with completely different roles. Puma has low accuracy and very penetration and needs to close or flank is to be effective vs medium and above. Su-76 can snipe just fine at long range especially once it hit vet 2 which is easy to do due to low XP value. It has high penetration, a barrage and is dirty cheap, the unit is cost efficient. If you have trouble countering light vehicles use PTRS, mines and AT grenades. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 13:31 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 13:27 PMSerrith As a Soviet main I feel the Su76 is alright in terms of cost efficiency. Regarding its accuracy, iirc the panzer 4 has a target size of 40 multiplied by the long range accuracy of the su76 of 0.025 and you have a 100% hit rate assuming those numbers are correct. ,,, Target size of PzIV is 22 not 40. On the other hand Su-76 get x130 accuracy at vet 2 and need about XP as stug need to get to vet 1 to do so. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 11:10 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 11:07 AMgbem is there a search function for the forums?... also whats the pumas stats overall contrasted to the SU-76... so far tests have shown that the puma is at an advantage... it seems to fire slightly faster aswell find any post by cruzz or firespark ther ewill be link to the files in their signature. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 10:59 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 10:52 AMgbem and what about the rate of fire and damage?... btw whats ur source coh2.hu has been down since forever already... get cruzz's or firespr's files, they are at their signature. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 10:51 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 10:49 AMgbem do u have the accuracy stats of both units? Puma Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.0375 Accuracy far 0.025 Range near 10 Range mid 30 Range far 50 Range 0 - 50 Su-76 Accuracy near 0.05 Accuracy mid 0.035 Accuracy far 0.025 Range near 0 Range mid 30 Range far 60 Range 0 - 60 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 10:47 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 10:43 AMgbem tested on cheatmod II average kill time at range 50 puma vs T-70 and SU-76 vs T-70 21.996...........34.867 21.828...........13.604 17.051...........1:17.723 (yes 1 minute) 17.708...........56.155 the puma is clearly superior at killing light vehicles to the SU-76 when firing at range 50 If only Su-76 had to fight a T-70. Now do the same test 100 times and you will see that this RNG. Su-76 has simply better accuracy. Su-76 is simply a cost efficient unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-7612 Jul 2018, 10:05 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2018, 09:52 AMgbem the similarly priced puma counters light vehicles better and is a great finisher against damaged tanks... if a light TD is the role of an SU-76 then the puma does its job better.... ... Once more check stat before posting: Su-76 cost 280/75 Penetration 180/190/200 Range 60 Puma 320/70 Penetration Penetration 80/120/160 Range 50 Su-76 has more than double penetration far and more penetration far than puma has close, it can not barrage and has higher XP value. SU-76 is simply a cost efficient unit. In: COH2 Balance