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Thread: Commander Rework approach21 Jul 2018, 10:59 AM 2) Balance commander themselves by removing abilities combination that are simply too strong. Generally avoid combination of weapon upgrades, premium mediums, Super heavies and powerful off maps. Here is list of commander that imo should change: Soviet tactics A) KV-8. Remove from commander with super heavies. KV-8 can not become a call-in (with not tech cost) since it a specialized vehicle and can not be used as delay for super heavies. One can then balance the unit is there is a need for to allow strategies without T4. Affected tactics: Shock Rifle Frontline Tactics (IS-2/KV-8) Soviet Industry Tactics (KV-2/KV-8) The ability could then be replaced with things like: recon flight, propaganda artillery, sturmovic strafe single pass, Booby Trap Territory, Tank traps, PMD mines, Green T-34s, Dshk, rapid conscription... B) Remove the combination of powerful off maps (mark target, IL-2 bombing, IL-2 attacks) and premium vehicles. Mark target. This ability amplifies the effect of premium vehicles and should be avoided. Affected tactics: Guards Motor Coordination Tactics (mark target/ T-34/85) Mechanized Support Tactics (mark target/ ISU-152) The ability could then be replaced with things like: recon flight, propaganda artillery, sturmovic strafe single pass, Booby Trap Territory, Tank traps, PMD mines, Dshk, rapid conscription... IL-2 bombing. Super heavies need support and someone faced with them should be able to use artillery to soften the support so abilities that can hard counter static artillery create a powerful combo. Affected tactics: Mechanized Support Tactics (IL-2 bombing/ ISU-152) Shock Motor Heavy Tactics (IL-2 bombing/ ISU-152) The ability could then be replaced with things like: recon flight, incendiary artillery, propaganda artillery, sturmovic strafe single pass, Booby Trap Territory, Tank traps, PMD mines, Dshk, rapid conscription... IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks. Again a powerful loiter off map than can be used to easily protect a super heavy tank when the enemy decided to attack. Affected tactics: Armored Assault Tactics (IS-2/IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks) Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics (KV-1/IL-2 Sturmovik Attacks) The ability could then be replaced C) Remove the ppsh upgrade from commander with premium vehicles. Weapon upgrade should not be combined with powerful vehicles since the combination can increase the pressure to the enemy to deal with the up-gunned infantry leaving even more vulnerable to powerful vehicles. Affected tactics: Advanced Warfare Tactics (T-34/85,PPsh) Conscript Support Tactics (KV-1,PPsh) Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics (KV-1,PPsh) One could remove the KV-1 from 1 commander or replace the ppsh with things like: recon flight, incendiary artillery, propaganda artillery, sturmovic strafe single pass, Booby Trap Territory, Tank traps, PMD mines, Dshk, rapid conscription... In: Lobby
Thread: Commander Rework approach21 Jul 2018, 09:09 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 16:11 PMAugust1996 With your suggestions might as well delete all infil units cause they can't wipe for shit. Removing grenades with is the entire point of calling them in the first place. To insta wipe squads. Not only infil units cant fight due to being extremely squishy but they also need cloak to maximise DPS potential by hugging retreating units. As you might have noticed most of the tactics that lead to squad wipes with little reaction time have been gradually removed. The same should apply to cloaked infantry with mini nukes. This units could then be rebalanced if needed or given more utility. Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 16:11 PMAugust1996 Lightning War is also being butchered. Weapon upgrades being tied to tech is also too much. I don't want a repeat of stupid decisions like UKF HT weapon tech tied to rack research because muh team games. Who the hell cares about team games I dont see 4v4 GCS tournaments dont you? Imo if some commander are very strong combining the best doctrinal abilities/units make it more difficult to balance the faction since it is difficult to tell if the problem is commander or the faction. In addition it usually results in overnerfing abilities that are shared across commanders just because they are problematic in one commander. In: Lobby
Thread: Light Vehicle Meta needs to Stop21 Jul 2018, 08:29 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2018, 08:05 AMCODGUY Someone else did that, take it up with then. I suggest you first reach 100 games as OKW and Wer and then continue to debate. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter21 Jul 2018, 08:22 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 23:20 PMMongal Who cares if the centaur was used in 28% of the matches UKF played in GCS2. Considering UKF lost over 80% of the games in GSC2 your logic is completely flawed. UKF win raito is 2:13. As you said the numbers tells quite a different story indeed. https://www.coh2.org/topic/81188/gcs2-citadel-faction-win-rate I am simply responding to the claim that Cetnaur has "not seen it in a single game post nerfs". The unit is used regularly and more frequently than Ostwind. It is a cost efficient unit. How UKF did in the tournament is irrelevant to if Centaur is used or not and the loses had much more to with UKF faction design than the performance of Centaur, my logic is perfectly fine. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SOVIET COMMANDER REVAMP DISCUSSION20 Jul 2018, 17:45 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 16:23 PMSturmpanther Please use this thread to discuss or submit ideas for the Soviet Commander Revamp. Please choose commanders that you feel can realistically become competitive with a few good changes. Some commanders are probably beyond redemption at this point. Imo this the wrong way to go about it. Instead of trying to buff 2 commander so that they can become "meta" one can get allot better result if one nerfs the 2 most popular commanders and then see if one need to buff stock unit so that all the 20+ commanders become more viable. Same goes for Ostheer. In: Lobby
Thread: Commander Rework approach20 Jul 2018, 15:40 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 14:53 PMF1sh ... - Concentration Barrage is just awful. It's over twice the price of the Infantry Section's artillery strike and fires only half the shells. ... As for your suggestions: - I think the Booby trap territory ability is fine, might be a little pricey at 100 muni. The commander could use some changes. But I have to point out that Concentration barrage uses Airburst shell even if one has not unlocked Anvil so it not actually that bad compared to the one from Pyrotechnics (unless someone has already unlocked anvil). Thanks for reading and providing feedback. In: Lobby
Thread: German units too cheap or are Allied units too expensive?20 Jul 2018, 15:30 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 13:21 PMCODGUY Most everyone has a perferred faction or two in fact I'm willing to bet either OST or OKW are the preferred factions for 60-70% of this community. I do have quite a bit more games with USF and UKF as those are my two preferred factions but I also have around 50-60 games each with OKW and OST. I happen to have a higher win rate with those two also. I find OST more challenging than OKW, but OST is more flexible and overall more powerful late game than OKW despite the latter's access to a non-doctrinal King Tiger. I am sorry to have to to say this but 50-60 game with a faction are simply not enough to formulate a clear picture. Most of the people you play will probably have X4 times tha many games, the game has been out for quite a long time. It will actually help you allot in your USF/UKF game if you play more with Ost and OKW as you will learn more about their weakness. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Brit tank scatter20 Jul 2018, 12:47 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 12:31 PMKatitof You need to play with the unit, because something tells me you have not seen it in a single game post nerfs and instead rely exclusively on stat sheets. Again. Its better AI then cromwell, but again, what isn't? And once more the voices "telling" you things are wrong. I would suggest that you stop listening to them. I have used the unit and I have played against the unit post patch, it remains a very cost efficient AI medium tanks. You have not backed up your claim that Centaur "has not seen in single game post patch" in anyway, it just you personal opinion presented as a fact, when it simply wrong (in other words it is your usual BS). The numbers tell quite a different story. In GCS2 Centaur was used in 28% of the UKF of games and it was actually the second most frequently used tank in a game. For comparison reason, Ostwind was only used in 5% of the Ostheer and below 1% for OKW making far less rare vehicle than Centaur. The simple fact remain that Centaur is cost efficient unit that is used often. Once more I have suggest to you to stop obsessing with what I do or not do and stop trying to turn every thread into a personal flame war. Finally this thread is about Brit tank scatter so I would also suggest that if you want to debate the centaur or any other personal issue you might have, to do it in another thread. Have a nice day. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is it time to rework howitzers?20 Jul 2018, 11:07 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 10:54 AMSupremeStefan ... ok so we got turtle factions like wermaht or even okw and they have rocket arty and we got usf mobile faction witout option to break through mg spam or sometimes even bunkers... In 4vs4 games you can use your Major to bomb enemy strong points. You can also use MHT, Priest and Calliope or ask your Soviet teammate to make katiushas and you in return can provide M36s. If one makes wefer, katiushas and stuka doctrinal it will create more problems in 1vs1 2vs2 (especially with the nerfs to mortars) than solve in 4vs4 (the problem comes from the economy and not the units). But we drifting off topic, the topic is Howitzers not rocket arty. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Brit tank scatter20 Jul 2018, 10:04 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2018, 09:59 AMCombatWombat Thanks for that! You are welcomed. The forums should be a place where we can all learn something (instead of trying to "bash noobs"). In: COH2 Balance