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Thread: Fall balance patch - Raketen nerf25 Jul 2017, 10:24 AM Let's conveniently ignore the squad formations buff and the stealth QoL buff that the raketen received, and let's focus on the bulletproof crew, right? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Fall Balance Preview: Scope Additions24 Jul 2017, 15:35 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 15:27 PMZaneyZap For anyone interested I did a little test regarding volks and their damage done to a fully upgraded mortar pit. (no advanced emplacement commander upgrades used) 2 flamenades with brace activated lowers the mortarpit's helth to 64% 2 flamenades without brace lowers the mortarpit's helth to 19% It takes 2 volks squads, with no upgrade and no flame nade, 1 min and 11 seconds to destroy a mortarpit, no brace used It takes 2 volks squads, with no upgrade and no flame nade, 2 min and 14 seconds to destroy a mortarpit, 2x brace used It takes 2 volks squads, with weapon upgrade and no flame nade, 40 seconds to destroy a mortarpit, no brace used It takes 2 volks squads, with weapon upgrade and no flame nade, 1 min and 16 seconds to destroy a mortarpit, 1x brace used That's a very good piece of research. However, lava-equipped infantry is not the norm; it's the exception; the true benchmark should be (LMG) Grenadiers. As I stated in the original post, the only reason you even need brace vs infantry is because of lava nades. Remove brace and nerf lava nade modifier vs mortar pits, and the pit is already OP vs infantry. Hence armour would also have to be reduced; which is what we have in the revamp mod. Enormous target size also skews infantry weapon effectiveness, punishing high-accuracy attacks (e.g., bolt actions) and heavily favouring automatics. Thus, target size would also have to be reduced to something around 1 (which is what we have in the mod). The only way for OST infantry to have meaningful interactions with the pit is panzerschrecked equipped pgrens. That's a massive investment to make, and it's beyond wrong, in terms of counters. There's absolutely no need for mortar pit brace to affect anything other than off-maps; and that's only because offmaps have specific modifiers to deal extra damage to mortar pits... because of brace. The only reason brace exists is due to the following design process: - Pits are immobile, therefore brace seems like a good idea to put them on-par with mobile assets - (Permanent, release-time) Brace makes emplacements too durable; therefore, let's buff a ton of flame attacks/offmaps to specifically counter braced mortar pits - Suddenly, unbraced mortarpits are too weak vs lava nades/off-maps, since pits were given access to brace This is a vicious cycle, and it doesn't have to be this way. In: Lobby
Thread: Fall Balance Preview: Scope Additions24 Jul 2017, 13:22 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 12:35 PMFinndeed So are you unwilling to change your mind about the mortar pit? What evidence do you need to possibly change your mind? I'm always willing to change my mind. However, imo, the point of emplacements is to force the other guy to attack at somepoint (since emplacements can't move), or to focus on a different area of the map (since emplacements have a smaller range). What emplacements shouldn't do is force players to attack with particular, slow-moving/situational units (e.g., panzerschrecks, AT guns, tanks), or reinforce an indirect-fire arms-race that will always end in a shitshow. Low-lethality, short-range pits would be useless vs MGs. Low lethality, long-range pits would be just as annoying as before when you go sim-city mode. About the revamp-mod mortar pit? Any sort of evidence that proves that it is no better than live-version/FBP mortar pit mechanics in terms of gameplay/player frustration/faction synergy. For both live-version and FBP mortar pits, you cannot build mortar pits in open ground. That's because the massive target size means that the mortar pit will get wrecked by Stugs/AT guns etc. This means you need to find a suitable shotblocker to place them behind. For live-version mortar pits, this restriction doesn't matter, due to 120-range autoattack. For FBP mortar pits, the restriction will matter a lot more; the mortar pit will only be able to control an area of 85 range around it; for anything beyond that, you require a 40-60 second barrage which can easily be dodged. This means the shotblocker requirement even more harsh than before. We can't buff mortar pit target-size/hitbox, obviously, without nerfing brace, because absolutely nothing would ever be able to kill them, ever. However, without fixing target-size/hitbox we have mortar pits (and the entire Brit indirect-fire department) that is completely map-dependent. Nevertheless, in both cases (FBP and live), if the map does have a shotblocker at the right distance, the mortar pit will remain immortal. Especially when sim city commanders are involved. Emplacements shouldn't be immortal; they should be kinda-replaceable. The ideal solution for the pit is one that: - Doesn't require sim city for the pit to be useful - Punishes players heavily for going sim city In: Lobby
Thread: Fall Balance Preview: Scope Additions24 Jul 2017, 11:13 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2017, 13:48 PMFinndeed While we are at it, may I ask why the StugE needs TWP removed? All TWP abilities have been turned into timed abilities to prevent the issue of doubletap shooting, but to also allow them to make easier to aim. That's not possible to do with Stug-E, due to its curved projectile. The pintle MG is there to act as a placeholder of sorts. In: Lobby
Thread: Fall Balance Preview24 Jul 2017, 11:10 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 04:36 AMLuciano Dont forget to fix this one too, it needs to be like the coh1 forward hq, it needs to be capable and it shouldnt be able to convert a building into a fhq if it is in enemy or disconected territory https://www.coh2.org/replay/62481/urban-defense-soviet-commander-comand-post We didn't forget about FHQ; the scope did. In: Lobby
Thread: Fall Balance Preview: Scope Additions23 Jul 2017, 09:56 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2017, 09:31 AMFinndeed If you need to increase its raw health to lower its lethality then do it. In 1v1 where you cant get 3/4 players to target the same pit, its damn near impossible to kill vs a good player. In they go sim-city then its even harder! I cant tell you what they are like in team games, but in 1v1 i can tell you that they are far too powerful. I am referring to the precise changes in revamp mod: - Brace effectively removed - Durability vs indirect fire increased - Durability vs small arms fire radically decreased In: Lobby
Thread: Fall Balance Preview: Scope Additions22 Jul 2017, 13:48 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2017, 13:39 PMFinndeed Its fine if the mortar pit can reach things, its fine if it can survive arty... the problem is that atm the opposing player cannot afford to allow the mortar pit to survive because it is so incredibly deadly! The mortar pits ability (with a little RNG on its side) to two or three shot entire weapon teams or squads is the problem. Lower its lethality and all the associated problems of the mortar pit are immediately mitigated to some degree. Lowering lethality won't solve anything If you lower lethality, the pit is just going to get wrecked by mortars/ISGs. The moment you hit brace, the pit is dead. Unless you have a 2nd mortar pit. Hello sim city. Unless you transfer the mortar pit to the USF faction, tommies won't cut it to attack enemy indirect fires. In: Lobby
Thread: Fall Balance Preview: Scope Additions22 Jul 2017, 11:22 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2017, 15:42 PMEtherealDragon Thank you very much for that detailed response - I'll admit that I was initially skeptical of the Brace change in your revamp mod but after reading your response the change makes a lot more sense. 75% more HP would give Mortar Pits about 1200 HP which would allow them to tank more damage making up them being more vulnerable to flanks and the like. I think as long as there is a good balance with the MP being able to defend itself from counter-indirect fire then that's a good route to go - that way enemy mortars are still able to counter MPs in sufficient numbers without the god-awful "I repaired during Brace so now you have to retreat because I can outlast you at the front line" dynamic that MPs have now. Generally speaking I think indirect fire Manpower invests should yield roughly equal results for both sides. (2 OST Mortars should be able to duel with an upgraded Pit fairly reliably) Hopefully relic would consider at least testing this in the preview patch since the MP appears to be in scope (though I'm not sure if Brace itself is since this would also affect the Bofors and 17 Pounder). Bofors doesn't really need brace either. It's a generalist defensive structure that allows The single #1 reason Bofors requires brace is super-range ISGs in the live version. In both mods (revamp and FBP), ISGs will have to move close enough to the Bofors to fire. This gives the This allows the British player to screen enemy indirect fire with their bofors, and hammer the mortars/etc with mortar pits that are further behind (though, with barrage and smoke only). Of course, the goal of Bofors is not to be immortal; it is to eventually die, after having delayed the enemy enough. In the meantime, the Bofors can still afford to be annoying by fending off light vehicles and supporting frontline troops with suppressive barrages. 17 pounder is already beyond useless and will require a massive overhaul (see revamp mod), to get at least one niche. For the time being the 17 pounder is an annoying punchbag to kill and nothing more. Thus, nerfing brace from 17-pounder will at least serve as a benevolent warning for people to stop throwing their resources on such a useless unit. Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2017, 02:13 AMfrostbite i agree with everything smith says. but i dont agree with inf killing it within a few secs. they should be more effective but not crazy effective to where they die to fast. cuz ppl wont go support weapons at all they will just blob to ur emplacements making them useless.if a unit does damage to the pit like it would a fuel cache then maybe cuz it take a little while to hurt it If your emplacements/indirect fire already managed to draw the enemy infantry to your lines, emplacements have already done their job; just your your MGs/infantry to dispatch the enemy. If you build too many emplacements and had no support troops to fight the enemy blob; well, that's your problem. You shouldn't have gone Sim-City. The single #1 failure of live-version emplacements is that they keep infantry away, which means that there's no synergy with defensive-oriented Tommies. In: Lobby
Thread: Update on map pick statistics22 Jul 2017, 10:35 AM Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2017, 10:26 AM__deleted__ I think garrison problem can be fixed by 3 simple steps 1.) All houses are as vunurable as wooden one in soviet maps (so no more inpenetrable housings, that need 100 million shells to actually die - eg. Angoville), but there can´t be any nades that destroy full health garrison in 1 go (I´m looking at you bundle nade) 2.) All squads take some time to ungarrison (similar timing as rakketen/maxim) - by this change you´ll still be able to dodge grenade but only if you´re paying attention - similar to grenades thrown in the open. 3.) Garrison cannot be occupied for 3 seconds after a grenade hit it (so you cannot do the hop-in-hop out tactic to completly nulify grenades). By this change, you will have an option to eat a grenade and stay in garrison or go out and being incapable to get back in 3 next seconds. 1) Wooden garrisons crumbling down like leafs to grenades is the logical conclusion for having designed garrisons that are so difficult to contest. Nevertheless, garrisons getting insta-gibbed looks stupid, from every possible perspective. If garrisons could trade hands easily, you could easily increase the durability of wooden garrisons to that of double-story stone buildings, and it still wouldn't matter. 2) Grenades take longer to aim and throw than it takes to leave a garrison. Therefore, if you ended up with a grenade under your squad, it's your fault for not paying attention to your garrison early enough. Garrisons are not supposed to be safe havens. They are supposed to be durable cover that can trade hands. (Of course, Bundle nades/gammon bombs would have to be nerfed to a balanced state for this to work) 3) Doing this means that you are making it even more difficult for the attacker to steal the garrison. If you know you have 3 seconds to spare before anybody can contest your garrison, you spread out, dodge the grenade, then head back and regain your garrison. With the old (CoH1) system, the attacker wants to force you out of the building, while having a squad of their own nearby to occupy the garrison. While executing the de-garrison command, you lose control of your units: - If you order your units to go too far, the enemy can steal your garrison - If you order your units not to go far enough, you can get wiped by the door nade In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Update on map pick statistics22 Jul 2017, 10:16 AM Garrisons being dominant is 10% a map error and 90% game design error. All factions actually get access to tools to clear buildings (flamers, flame vehicles, lava nades, grenades, snipers, mortars, indirect fire, 25-pounder barrages). Unfortunately, many patches ago, it was deemed a good choice to allow infantry units to instantly hop-in hop-out out of garrisons. Thus, we're stuck with garrison hoping abuse which completely nullifies most of these counters. Old system: you could surround the garrison with 2 infantry squads, throw a grenade at one of the doors and force the squad out. If the enemy wanted back in again, one of the following could happen: - You could steal the garrison while the enemy squad is unresponsive (while unloading) - The enemy could get back in. However they would be forced to spend at least 4 seconds outdoors, with no cover, getting shredded with the flanking squad - You could follow up with an additional grenade New system: Just click fast enough and you will be able to keep the garrisons for 30 seconds longer than you would normally deserve, allowing you to reinforce the garrison. In short, the old system created some interesting counterplay to besiege garrisons. Most crucially, it allowed garrisons to change hands, and all factions had the tools necessary to do it. Allowing garrisons to change hands easily makes the early-game building rush a bit less cancerous to deal with; especially for the factions that don't start with Tommies/Sturmpioneers. Before somebody plays the "micro" card, should you be guaranteed an 100% chance to dodge incoming projectiles every time you give a rotation order to the tank? Cause that's exactly what's going on with garrisons and grenades/mortars at the moment. In: COH2 Gameplay