Point is that the Tiger currently does not perform for its cost.
That's my opinion, and it is even more obvious with the Ace Version: cost of a Tiger 2 which perform like a Tiger. |
I wasn't talking about the Tiger specifically. It gets a lot better at Vet 2, but so do most other heavies. If you think the Tiger was the only heavy that got nerfed hard, you probably haven't used any other heavy.
Nope, only AVRE/croc aside from tiger+variant. Heavies weren't relevant in teamgames anyway before the nerf, but since the Tiger and the ISU-152 are present in most of the best doctrine (if you want assault gren/HF mortar or IL-2 bombing strike for instance) I used it before the nerf, and after... the Tiger is... meh. |
not in all cases:
IS-2 Heavy Tank
Unlocks the "OF-471 Fragmentation Shell" ability.
I was talking about the tiger specificaly |
The changes that the balance team did were so small that you'd have to run some of these tests a lot more than 50 times to see if it made much of a difference. Having used all of the heavies except the TA since the patch, they all seem a little underwhelming for AI at vet0, but start to get good at vet 1 and are really good at vet 3. Also, the Brumbar comes a lot quicker and doesn't have to vet up before being good. The little bit of armor added feels like it made it much more durable so many players are getting it instead of waiting for a Tiger.
How can there be a difference at vet 1 since the vet 1 does nothing? |
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The Meta in 4vs4/3vs3 do not use Tiger either, you'll always prefer 2 stug for AT or Brum/Ostwind for AI. The vet 2 scatter nerf wasn't compensate with turret speed for the Ace version since it often use Spearhead tactics which lock the turret anyway.
Waiting for it just open a wide window where you are vulnerable and you'll always prefer cheaper tank, less vulnerable to Off-map combo and easier to manoeuver. |
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Now that we have seen 2 tournaments and time has passed since the patch, what can we say? |
I think 5man Grens should help 4man Grens, not replace them. Therefore plz buff 5man Grens by removing all their weapons and giving them a 1% dps aura when within 1m of 4man Grens.
Allies won in a landslide across the tournament and all we’re seeing is “nerf axis” threads. That tells you all you need to know about how meme levels of pointless these threads are.
I'm not even sure who is memeing and who is not at this point and I sincerely hope that nobody seriously think that this tournament shown that 5 man gren are OP just because it was the ONLY WAY for Ostheer to win. |
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I'm glad that a tournament which is meant to see who is the best player ends up being who has the best faction.
And maybe that if a single doc allow a faction to win, and everything else lose, maybe it is more because the faction is weak and the doctrine bring it in line with others than the other way. |
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This unit has greater potential than 222 in late game. By building it, you're building a support tool which will help you later in the game, and that's what its vets are meant for: +40% stealth detection radius.
+38% planting speed of M6 mines.
Unless you're building a 222 in late game for the almighty power of the 20mm canon, they both cover the same role but the M20 can lay down powerfull mine.
Again the unit isn't meant to be an USF counterpart of the 222 and has its own playstyle: which mean its own strengh and weaknesses. |
You could, if it was as potent as incendiary rounds or even dshk ap ammo, which you know, actually deal damage to lights.
But it does literally nothing for any unit with more then 5 armor.
StuG-e TWP still does its job as advertised regardless if you like it or not and if you believe its an issue, feel free to make a thread about it instead of derailing this one.
Again, it is not meant to destroy them by firing at them like an mg, it's primarly role is to support infantry against infantry, doing the reco and putting mine. Plus the way amor/pen work, it still can penetrate a front 222. But asking it to be viable against a 222 is like asking the 222 to face AEC/T70/Stuart, the matchup is clear and anyone thinking the other way just don't understand the role,and the limitations which goes along,of the unit.
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