Profile of Intelligence209

I just hope the morons who thought of brace, and emplacements in general don’t work for relic anymore.

It completely changes games in favor of static artillery fest, who can build more, who can rebuild faster.

And the risk vs reward is completely one sided as on maps such as crossing in the woods or Minsk pocket, pits are murderous and with a good teammate/brace virtually cannot be destroyed.

No micro>micro is what emplacements are

Can people please stop with the myth that you don't see Panthers in 1s and 2s?

For being a tier 4 and what smith is attempting to put out here as a “generalist” tank that is in a good spot. No, in fact you don’t see it. What you see is AT guns>stugs>tiger/elephant

What you see is a specialist Tank destroyer that is being out performed by cheaper tanks in tier 3.
What you see is a specialist tank destroyer that has 3 MGs that must be pointed in the same direction to put out a respectable steady damage over time, and that is being used as a main argument of the panthers lethality.

Iv said many times in many “buff ost panther/buff ost armour” post that’s come up over the year,
Panther simply needs a decrease in reload timing OR (specialist)
A moving accuracy buff OR (specialist)
Better AI capability’s. (Generalist) Givin the current brumbar state, I see the AI option to be the last option)

As been said many times, the fear of panthers being spammed like Coments, do we forget the Coments was an anti everything tank that was carried by a cheaper anti everything tank in mid game aka Cromwell. That could even smoke out AT guns, and especially wipe Grens with ease with its main cannon. To compare the two is atrocious. I would accept a pop increase if the AI capabilities of its main cannon is increased/turret lethality. But if it’s simply the other two, then nothing else needs to be changed IMO.

And i'm just wondering why people are mad at the balance team regarding the panther.

Oh, apparently, people think it needs higher accuracy on top of:

- mediocre/good AI DPS
- A powerfull main gun which rarely bounces on allied tanks
- Great armor against most allied medium non- tank destroyers
- Amazing speed
- Blitzkrieg for even more amazing speed(and reduced hit chance)
- Ost gets doctrinal smoke
- OKW has excellent veterancy

If anything, the main issue is the teching cost.

Currently (1s-2s)
OST is forced to go tier 1 for grens/support units, and is forced to go tier 2 for AT to counter light tanks/scout cars.

So in this time, it’s healthy to go tier 3 for stugs/ostwinds, then call in tiger. That way your tier 3 can hold off medium armour horrids.

Now, why are people mad? People are mad on being forced to go stugs every game for the ROF/Range/Accuracy then to top off with a tiger/elephant because going Tier 4 is never worth it/expensive.

Panzwerwerfer is a complete shit unit, and is only built in large team games/troll games. How many do you see vs it’s counterparts.
Brumbar is yes the only good unit out of tier 4 currently that punishes terminator squads that have an abundance of yellow cover.

Now we are left with the panther, something that is soly built for AT purposes, but you can get 2 stugs faster, for the price of 1 panther, and they will “finish” off enemy armour themselves. 2 stugs rushing a FF/Su85 is more reliable than a panther. And they are cheaper to replace.

Panther is required to “chase” enemy armour,, good luck doing so with an atrocious reload time/terrible accuracy on the move. When it comes simply to 85’s/FF’s/Coments/(I could say Jackson’s but I won’t) the panther gets demolished.

All this with the horrids off allied late game infantry/snares capable. vs OST late game infantry, it’s rediculas to remove the HP bonus, and to simply leave the damn unit alone and maybe just maybe add a slight accuracy increase.

You got people like Mr. Smith that is attempting to act like the panthers AI is lethal and worth a valid argument like wtf. There’s book, and then there’s street smart. You’d be surprised on the difference.

OST is a defensive/reaction faction that struggles early game, easily able to become over extended, as well as having it’s valuable support weapons demolished from AOE weapons. And currently and especially with these patch notes there is no reason to go tier 4. Stugs/elephant are better than a panther any day. Nerfing a unit then giving it a half ass buff isn’t going to fool anyone.

You know, i dont know play you game in 2013, but i remember how "skill" ostherer players (like Butcher,Sully) spam panthers 24/7, i dont remeber post from them, that panther need fix, all i remember l2p. I guess times changes, like sides, thats why so many problems. Changes in paper its one, changes in game its another story, problem can be not win panther but with t4 or synergy. LEts look in past, players talk maxim nerf is good, now maxim are balanced adn waht we get in live ? Broken unit.

Thanks for the history lesson here. But that legit has nothing to do with what’s happening now.

The Panther has much better AT than the forementioned units, but worse AI. Panther MGs are no joke and can cause a lot of bleed. Depending on the terrain, and also given that Panther AI doesn't care about elevation, Panther can deal more AI output than the Comet.

That's also taking into account that the Panther can offer engage units that don't have AT capabilities (e.g., Penals, Tommies and doctrinal USF infantry).



"More or less in a good place" is Relic-speak for "We don't consider OST Panther to be too OP".

The context comes from the secondary focus statement that "Adjustments to select heavy tanks that are currently over performing in team games". Therefore the "good place" refers to the fact that the OST Panther doesn't belong to late-game overperforming armour.

You do realize there is such thing as a 2v2 right? Quit jumping from 1s to 4s. Your statements are in a vaccume/perfect world. You and the balance team/relic is making a fool of yourself with the panther changes and yet you guys seem to think that because your the ones with the key that you guys are correct.

With the threat of snares that lingers in 2v2s, there is no such thing as panthers chasing down heavy TDs and finishing the job unless the player is serverly outplayed. Go ahead an name all the units that don’t have snares, this isn’t a vaccume type of game.

You forget the amount of allied infantry there is late game with yellow cover? You know damn well that’s a 4v4 change that is going to effect 2s. Not asking for a comet spam type tank, we was simply asking for a damn accuracy buff. So that atrocious reload time at least lands a damn shot when we are supossibly “hunting down tanks” you know the tanks that generally outrange or can self spot the panther.

Iv said it before, simplicity is key here, you guys are changing the whole game again, and now your opening up a rabbit hole with the commander changes. Haven’t we learned anything from all the previous patches?