But this actually a bad example, because of course a Panther is more expensive than Firefly, Jackson and SU-85. Even much more so for Wehrmacht, because tech for Wehrmacht is much, MUCH more prohibitive than for other factions.
Are you several patches behind? Ostheers tech costs were fixed ages ago. And what faction are you comparing them too? If its the soviets, its not true. If you add up all the Soviet techs (including mollys and at nades) it costs more than Ost tech.
If your comparing it to western factions, then Ostheer has an extra tier of vehicles that they dont have. Yeah, you have to spend more fuel to unlock more units.
I have no idea about unit values since all related sites are down
Not true: https://coh2db.com/stats/
Its not 100% up to date, but if you cross-reference with the patchnotes, you'll have all the info you need |
There is no justification for Churchill to have more than double the acceleration of the KV-1 and thus the value is simply too high.
What about the KV1 having a higher top speed? And lower cost?
You can have great acceleration all you want. If your max speed tops out at 2/3 the speed of most medium tanks, then its not that great of an advantage. |
I’m actually a big fan of officer and squad leader characters using short range weapons in an otherwise longer range oriented squad, like USF Lieutenant and Captains. I think it’s more realistic as very few units issued SMGs to whole units except highly specialized teams, while almost every warring nation issued squad leaders some sort of SMG to supplement the units close range firepower while on the assault or while defending from an assault.
Yeah I dont disagree at all. The "close range weapon" I was referring to was his pistol though, which really sucks. It's a "close range weapon" because thats its only range where it has a chance to do anything, which even still isnt that much. At least SMGs are VERY strong at close range, the officer pistol just stops being a decoration at close range. Its mediocre in general |
then again chitchuil alredy has much more hp and better AI and it cost less
And much worse AT, shorter range, you can go back and forth all day. Thats because the units have completely different roles so there's very little value in comparing them.
The Panther can damn near solo a Pershing. The Pershing costs more. Is the Pershing UP? Clearly not, it might be the best tank in the game |
Anyone else prefer better pistols to a weapon change, or am I crazy for that? 
I wouldn't hate it, is definitely more interesting than just giving him and Stg or G43. It's also annoying that he carries a close range weapon because his squadmates carry Ober Kar98ks, so your ideal range to engage at is long.
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Speaking of officers, does anyone know what the damage profiles on the various officer pistols are like? Are any of them actually combat effective or mostly for show?
Mostly for show. At least in the sturm offizier case. The Luger he uses has 8 damage and it's very very inaccurate outside of close range.
It would definitely make sense for him to swap it out for something better as the squad vets up |
I still demand an answer other than "okw has jp4". I would prefer to read "I dont care about okw" at least that is honest
Then go make a thread about croc+Firefly. The Croc really isn't that similar to the standard Churchill. 320 less health, +50 armor, costs way more, is doctrinal, etc. You don't buy it just to soak damage, which is what this thread is about
If by "follows the same design" you mean they look alike and have the word Churchill in their name, then yes, you are correct. Otherwise, no not really. 2 Panthers are cheaper than Croc+Firefly but they are 55 more fuel than Churchill+Firefly. It's clearly a different issue |
Other than that I've see no real answer to Croc+firefly
Wasn't talking about croc+firefly, as that has nothing to do with a thread about the kv1 and the standard Churchill...
Now we have a threads about the Churchill and KV-1 and it’s just L2P as a response. Seems pretty dumb.
Well I can't speak for everyone, but I hope my answers weren't coming across that way. I just don't agree it's OP. I think if it's health is reduced you need to buff it in a different way.
The JT comparison just doesn't seem valid to me. 2 shotting mediums seems a lot more obviously OP than whatever makes the Churchill too strong |
60>50 though and we still needed a nerf on the KT, JT , brummbar you name it.
What is your point here and why is the JT in it? It has greater than 60 range. |
JT is doctrinal.
You can also say it has no tech costs. And your question started about the Croc.
How does 50 range at gun work vs 1400 hp and grenades clears?
I mean 50>35. If you spot for them rather than just solo cloak creeping the Churchill still has to drive up to it. But OKW also has jp4.
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