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Thread: people use strange logic on panzerschreck.25 Apr 2016, 14:21 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2016, 14:12 PMbingo12345 Some of people said "raketen is bad so we need pazerschreck". i feel somewhat strange. The basis of balance is 'Making too bad to average and Making too good to average'. if you think raketen is bad, don't mention panzerschreck you need to mention raketen itself. i don't think that raketen is too bad. it has fast ROF, steath ability, being able to go into building and retreat ability. Things are related to eachother. No one really cared about RkW43 until schrecks were around, yet everyone known raketens cant hold alone against armors. Now there are fausts, StGs and Mech.HQ became more like an option with MG34s... RkW43, Faust + Puma is more viable now. See? Even MG34 can be mentioned... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: These OKW HQ nerfs are over the top25 Apr 2016, 08:21 AM So when will relic remove the free bazookas for USF teching? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why were snipers and flame units removed from US?19 Apr 2016, 08:08 AM USF has doctrinal flamer upgrade. Snipers were never part of USF.. this is CoH2 not CoH1... different game. Also you fight against MGs the same way as you do with OKW. OKW has only LeIG too.. USF has pack howi and smoke. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Jagdtiger Balance for 3v3+15 Apr 2016, 08:32 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2016, 15:49 PMMittens While players complementing one another is a normal start, it doesn't take into effect that with the currant abilities the Jag is over preforming due to its engine upgrade (negating its slower speed), long range, HE rounds, and piercing shot. It is effectively an arty unit as it can bypass normal terrain issues other than sitting in the bottom of the hill on steppes and firing up. The unit NEEDS a range reduction at best to match that of other mobile heavy tanks at 70. The 85 range is over kill and should be toned down to allow for more counter play. The piercing shot as I state earlier needs to be removed, units such as pack 43 should not be able to avoid terrain Collision due to some special rounds they get, simply not fair and not practical for gameplay balance. Currently the only counter to jag tiger is to effectively "hurl" cheap tank at the unit making it as Imageless bean pointed out "impossible" to effectively trade fairly. OKW will always come out on top with its cost effectiveness. This doesn't mean the stun is ok, it’s a dumb mechanics that only lasts for 2.5 seconds and only reduces its speed. As others have pointed out a HP reduction is a solid idea as the armor value for it is rather high in comparison to ele even. TLDR: Match stats with ele (Basically), remove cheese abilities. I understand your point, but i dont think these abilities would be cheese. I think if their stats would be OP, the tank would be OP in 1v1 or 2v2 aswell. But its not.. and even this thread complain about larger game modes and a scenario where JT is covered by other players. I dont think a decreased range would open new counter methods. Simply because you could not put up a fight with smaller TDs against an 500+ frontal armor even if you have the same range. Removing the "penetrating shot" is an option, but again, if it would be OP, it would be OP in smaller maps. You counter the JT in 3v3 the same way as you do it in 1v1... if there is another player around, you have to push him back first, with your allies. I dont want to get into exact scenarios, but just for the sake of an example: If there is a JT covered with infantry, mobile arty (Katy or Calliope) and / or plain AI infantry can push them back, then you can roll in and circle jerk the JT. Mark target + bombing is still a strong combo as it is against Ele. Bazooka blob is ALWAYS underestimated. People think it cannot penetrate, it has no accuracy and unable to deal damage. Somehow i have been countering Panthers successfully with bazookas. These are the methods i use against JT. Non of these are related with sight, piercing shots, etc... Personally i think JTs fuel price should be increased a bit and manpower price decreased a bit, and its HP lowered a bit, because it wears a concrete sarcophagus for frontal armor. TL;DR: Increase fuel price, decrease manpower price, decrease HP Leave the abilities alone In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Jagdtiger Balance for 3v3+14 Apr 2016, 14:47 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2016, 14:16 PMImagelessbean In larger team games this weakness is not reflected because it can be surrounded by potent AT and AI. I dont think its an issue with the JT. This is the nature of a team game. Good players will always complement eachothers army. If you play 3v3, and a soviet player spam maxims, the USF player spam rifles with LMG and the UKF player build two 17pounder, then its kinda normal if my volks blob get massacred when i try to get close to the ATguns. It doesnt mean any of those units are OP or broken, it just mean the 3 play complement eachothers army. But where is a tactic, there is a counter aswell.. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG34 upgrade to 80 muni14 Apr 2016, 06:57 AM Yes please, also make Obers a 2 men squad or a conjoined twin member, so a single sniper shot could be enough to waste 400MP. In: Scrap Yard
Thread: OKW manpower hack13 Apr 2016, 20:28 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2016, 08:53 AMKatitof It actually comes kind for free for axis armies as both of them have extra starting mp bonus for no reason. All factions starting resources determined by the starter units price and the cost of their first building. OKW starts with 340MP i think... and an SP which is 300MP UKF starts around 290 or 300.. and an IS squad which is 280MP None of these units are actually free i think. The only exception is the OST. They start significantly higher manpower and income, since they are the only faction without a T0 base infantry. We can discuss if OKWs starting resource is legit or not, but i think this thread is more like l2p issue than a balance issue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: All "stuka" stuffs are simply too op, Nerf it13 Apr 2016, 14:28 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2016, 05:12 AMkingdun3284 1. Walking stuka [..] Cost: Priest 480MP 110Fu Stuka 390MP 100Fu If you have problems with the priests performance, you dont have to break the walking stoopa. That tech building already cost more fuel and buying a stuka delay other armors ALOT. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW manpower hack13 Apr 2016, 08:43 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2016, 19:52 PMFalseAlarm 1510-300 = 1210. Don't forget the starting sturms. You dont think the starter unit in the game comes for free, do you? The more expensive your starter unit, the less manpower you start with. Btw the reinforcement cost not supposed to reflect the AT potentials of the unit. There are other values in the game, not just the AT. The 90 munition / schreck upgrade price reflect how well the squad perform against vehicles. The reinforcement cost is calculated somehow like this: (units price / squad size ) - 30 = 1 model ... or something like this... And again, if you make an example where your opponent has a SP, 4 volks and a kubel... dont you think you should have something more than just 2 hmg? There is no such thing as OKW manpower hack.. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: AoE damage found too deadly to elite infantry.13 Apr 2016, 08:19 AM Its certainly an issue. Losing 400MP squads to a single shell is annoying as hell. No wonder people rather stick with cheaper infantries. I think in case of some smaller sized infantries it would be wise to revert AOE change to roll against accuracy for each model. Or calculate dynamical AOE with squad size included. Like this: ( Current AOE size / 5 ) * target squad size In: COH2 Balance