Profile of Esxile

While that certainly may be the case for some playstyles, it has not been my experience when my mate and I play. I always go 4 rifle then captain, and him 3 rifle LT, and we always win the early game. We start by double teaming 1 side of the map with riflemen, which is a guaranteed win over either the WM or OKW player (assuming they don't double team the same side, which is a rare thing for CoH2 players to do), and then double teaming the other side. With 9 infantry units total and a quick mortar and MG follow up from the LT player, and a fast Stuart by myself, the early and ealry-mid game are usually a strong point for us. So I think it depends on your playstyle, since in my experience, early game is not a weakness (unless you both opt for LT builds).

USF 1vs1 and 2vs2 are different stories.

By the time you get your T 34 you should also have AT nade,Penals,Sis 3,Su 76 or anything else to counter tanks

Same goes for the Ostheer player, thus you are arguing in favor of putting the Puma behind tech. End of the story.

Conscript support doctrine is very muni heavy though. Unless you have good map control you probably cant really use it effectivly. Also they nerfed rapid conscription into the ground. It´s utterly shit now.

KV1 chasing and killing a Panther is misleading because Hans showed him his rear armor the whole time. No way can a KV1 chase and kill a Panther under normal circumstances. It doesn´t have the speed to do so, it also can´t pen Panther´s frontal armor reliably.

I generally don´t think KV1 is that good. It does work well vs mobile defense though. That´s probably the main reason it´s used that often in 1v1 nowadays. It´s still very rare to see a KV1 in 2v2+.

I edited my main post, I want to focus the topic more on 1vs1 strat.
Anyway, I was joking about Panther/Hans/Lol video, I strongly think the panther is the natural go to counter KV1. But I also think KV1 does very well not only versus mobile defense but also T3 rush strat. Pz4, stugs and jpz4 have really hard time to penetrate its armor.

KV1 is good, I can only tell you to give it some tries and see by yourself. Imo if the KV1 isn't seen much in 2vs2+, this is only because nobody think about it. KV1 is quite a monster in teamgame with a bit of strategy, I lately overplayed with them on 2vs2 and 4vs4 random and teamgame and my feeling is it does really great in those mods.

So is the puma.At least if you face anything with more armor than a T 70 or you don't have an number advantage of 3:1

Speak for youself mister rank1000.

By your own logic, smoke should stay away from rifle's. Because an OkW without flamenade has no smoke to fight garrisons in T0.

But the issue you seem to purposely miss is that a OkW or USF (and UKF right now) without cheap T0 garrison counters are complete and utterly boned on garrison maps.

Calling the stuka the best garrison counter in the game, 'but too bad it costs fuel" is the equavalent of claiming shocks in an m3 are a valid counter to agrens. It shows a complete lack of gamesense if you think dumping 160 fuel into rushing arty unit in a 1vs1 won't utterly destroy you.

But I know, why don't you show me how to do it? Post a replay of you using the best garrison counter in the game in a 1vs1 vs an equally strong enemy and manage to win, and I will admit I am utterly wrong.
It would also bring down your OKW to USF 1vs1 game ratio from 1:400 to 1:300.



Putting okw nades behind a paywall will bring issue's of it's own (which I stated before, but you seem to miss that out aswell). But i can get behind flamers on sturms.





You specificly referenced a 1vs1 scenario where one has to get stuka to counter garrisons. Teamgames is another can of worms, but you are wrong about stuka being a viable garrison clearer in a 1vs1 setting.

But instead of admitting that, you first beat around the bushes for 3 post, ignore any argument about why stuka is not a viable garrison counter in 1's and then turn around and call me biased.

It always surpises me how people with a playercard such as yours are the first to do that.

Looking forward to that replay.

Back then, riflesmoke costed 25 fuel, nothing really T0 out of the box when the game start.

OKW has garrison counter with the ISG at the moment. And putting flamnade behind a paywall isn't equal to remove it from the game, UKF also has to pay extra fuel to get their garrison counter.
We could also argument that OKW is the strongest starting faction: you can clean, occupy and hold any house you want with your starting SP except vs UKF. Not to mention if OKW isn't that great in garrison cleaning that early the faction is king of the open field and capping with the fast capping kubel and volks being able to build their own cover.

I don't understand your focus on what I said on the Stuka, do you disagree with Stuka being best Garrison counter? Doesn't stuka wipe majority of wooden buildings in one barrage? Doesn't Stuka ensure you to hit the area you selected? How many stuka Barrage does it takes to take down the strongest garrison building vs other rocket arty?
Now it cost fuel, better have to. Let's just me remember you one more time the argument I had and you can't deny: OKW T2 has a garrison cleaner tool in it. The same way USF has a garrison cleaner tool in its T2 which I will never deny.

Next, I don't really give a damn to provide you a replay on a faction I don't like to play, I'm not telling you how to play your faction, I'm telling you there is a garrison cleaning tool in your T2. You tell me it is not viable to use it in 1vs1, very well I understand that, then go T1 when there are many garrisons on the map and use T2 first on open map, or ban heavy garrisoned map from your selection. It is not like COH2 is a game about strategy and adaptation, if Luch rush doesn't work on urban map then adapt, I think OKW T1 is still good after the patch to be used in such maps.

Now I'm looking back into the topic to find your point against putting flamnade behind a paywall. find it, not really convinced but I think I'll stop here.