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I've had a quick discussion with Romeo and we've come to a few ideas that might be considered okay as far as treating Panzershrek blobs.

As it stands a lot of people are complaining about Volksgrenadier Panzershrek blobs and Obersoldaten support.


I think part of the problem may be included in a lack of munitions sinks for the OKW, aside from Grenades, MG Upgrades, and artillery strikes, there isn't much else to sink munitions into.


I think a good change to implement onto Volksgrenadiers specifically may be to include an automatic weapons combat package.

In history, Volksgrenadier was just a move to economize personnel into regiments of 6-line infantry instead of the standard 9-line infantry. This was already very real for a lot of divisions.

To compensate, volksgrenadiers were given a higher volume of automatic weapons, LMG's, SMG's, and of course the new "wonder weapon" the STG-44.

So the idea, would be to give the OKW Volksgrenadiers a automatic weapons combat package that includes 1x LMG-34/42, 1x STG-44, and 2x MP-40's. Completely removing the KAR-98k from their inventory, locking out panzershreks, and giving them coats for cold immunity.


Perhaps this combat package can also give them a couple grenade options, although I'm just slinging ideas.



This would allow Volksgrenadiers to be less reliant on Obersoldaten and Sturmpioneers, while also providing an excellent and viable munitions sink aside from more panzershreks.

I second this proposal. Although I understand if this change were to happen (doubtful, due to all of the logistics of balance and the general consensus of more experienced and represented individuals) it would definitely not be anytime in the near-future. I feel as if right now the Volksgrenadiers are lacking in terms of being a core-infantry unit. For example, their US Forces equivalent (Riflemen) have so much more flexibility when determining what role they will be utilized in throughout their combat initiatives. In addition, with the Grenadiers from the Ostheer/Wehrmacht being able select an LMG non-doctrinally, and doctrinally gaining access to G43 semi-automatic rifles (depending on the commander the player selects), the Panzershrek is the ONLY AT armament that is provided to the Volksgrenadiers. Unless this is 100% intentional and relates to balance logistics and what not, I think adding an AT piece (Panzerfaust, grenade, etc...), decreasing the potency of their base anti-personnel grenade, and giving them an LMG 34 "combat package" upgrade for 60 - 90 munitions (depending on the inclusion of cold immunity, and whether or not the LMG 34 will function like the Obersoldaten's (being able to utilize it without being stationary) LMG 34). I think this would provide enough balance to compensate for the removal of the Panzershrek, and making the Volksgrenadiers more "efficient" when engaging enemy infantry units. If anybody agrees, disagrees, and/or has any feedback to what I just stated, feel free to reply.

For most team weapons and artillery pieces, their alternate fire modes are locked by Vet-1 and don't always cost so much in munitions. But this is not the case with the Stuka zu Fuss, instead it's alternate fire mode of Incendiary Rocket Barrage is locked behind a Vet-4 rank that it may never see in an entire game, and still costs a whopping 100 munitions, which is already difficult enough to achieve for a hard pressed OKW player. (Think lots of grenades and panzershreks and mines)


I think that for the alternate fire mode to be justifiably locked behind Vet-4, that it should be a bit more accessible and attainable than it is currently.


Furthermore I daresay that it opens up far more options for the OKW player to eliminate blobs of Allied infantry and artillery/ATG's as well as garrisoned units, which currently they are sorely lacking.

So please take this into consideration as currently I would go as far as to assume that most OKW players don't even know that there is an Incendiary Barrage option due to how exceedingly rare it is that the Stuka zu Fuss would ever reach Vet-2 or Vet-3, let alone Vet-4.

I actually think that you might be on to something. Perhaps, make the alternate veterancy four barrage (Incendiary Rockets) cost 30 - 60 munitions, have it unlocked at Veteran Tier Two, and make the individual utilizing the unit have to choose between which barrage they would like to execute (regardless of which one they select, the other has to cool-down as if it were used as well). I agree that the odds of ever getting a vet four "Walking Stuka" in a 1v1/2v2 is very slim, but I can't say whether or not it still holds true to 3v3/4v4, since I rarely play as Axis in those.

So recently a couple of friends and I did a series of 3v3 matches on COH2. The last match we did ended up going in a hilariously bizarre direction. We're constantly improving, and still have a long ways to go before you could consider us "Pros" or "MLGs" (if that's even possible for us). So, please keep that in mind. Expect to see a ton of Maxims, Soviet Sniper Teams, ISU-152s, and a smorgasbord of Katyushas (like at least eight, probably more). Honestly, I wish I could have included the commentary for this, because some funny stuff was said during the creation of this replay, too. But, I still thought this was worth uploading to the forums, regardless

I feel as if the Relic staff member who wrote this specific line, did so in a casual manner. A 25% accuracy modifier is a HUGE buffer, especially at zero veterancy. No wonder all of the "more-experienced" Soviet players have been spamming those things. I've probably lost several games as of recently, solely due to losing numerous squads and armor due to this error. I am glad to see that they fixed this and am happier to see that Relic is keeping true to their promise of providing (semi-regular) patches to improve the overall user-experience of COH2.

Wow great post! I definitely agree with the fragmentation bomb thing. That ability is great! It activates very fast which can obliterate tons of enemy units.

Thanks! A lot of people tend to forget that these call-ins aren't supposed to be the game winning perks (needless to say, they're implemented into the game mechanic to provide assistance in winning the game). If people honestly looked at the game for what it is, and where it was when it first came out in July of 2013, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) most people would agree that Company of Heroes 2 has definitely come a long way (and whether it still has a long ways to go, is a topic for another thread).