Profile of Partisanship

-L2P

-Seek help in forums rather than whine and declare nerf/hack when you are brand new to the forums.

-I didn't elect you to be my voice and I am sure the thousands of other COH2 players didn't either.

-Playercard Please

Pretty much this. There's a lot of things you suggest that is over the top and hardly something I can find myself backing up.

Also, in regards of your suggestions, I will list my opinions on them. I don't agree with a lot of the things you assume we are complaining about. You don't eve have statistics to back up that we are all complaining about it.

- Reduce their starting MP.

They don't start off with an amassing army of doom. What is the appropriate amount? Should they be 1 to 2 out-manned by Allies so there's no potential early game for them at all? They don't even start with HMG to stop blobs. Income is what you might want to focus on but that's hardly something worth validating since manpower income limitation sounds like a terrible thing to balance.

- Inc nades animation time increased.
- All free goodies should require separate teching
- SHreck stat profile mirrored from zook or swapped with PzB altogether.

Yeah, it's a pretty stronk nade but the price is quite high up there. Every nade tossed is half the time they could be stocking up for schrecks instead. Instead of having to complain about these, may as well just suggest to revert back to an agreeable reduction for fuel and ammunition income so the choice of either spamming nades or getting shrecks fall into consideration.

- Sturmpioneers cost changes (Including reinf) reverted.

They're not incredibly powerful units, mind you. Reinforcement time makes it a rather timely business to bring back to health and the notorious four man model means quick dps drop off as soon as one or two model drops.They only perform well if you give them a chance to flank, which may create the illusion that they over perform. The squad price is also enough compensation if any for their efficiency.

- Kubelwagon capping ability removed and the lmg34 stats improved, adding a fuel cost

So you want to go back to the glorious age where you can drive kubels to cut off points as soon as the game starts so allies can't even have a start game? Or do you want an early vehicle that ignores suppression and can deal significant damage in return? I'd much rather just fight a flimsy car that can capture. One mine or a good focus fire means 240 manpower down the drain.

Volks are the worst OKW unit period, and making more than 2 or 3 is an epic waste of manpower, as you will be reinforcing them endlessly all game after every engagement. Better to spend the manpower on LeIG, Puppchen, IR HT, literally anything else.

So why do people blob them? Because newbs don't know what they are doing with OKW, and the people who can't beat a Volks blob know even less.

When you just start out playing a faction, you don't know your left hand from your right. As you play, you realize you do pretty well as long as you stick to units that are versatile. After all, no matter what situation you are in they will do OK. Units like this for OKW are Volks, P4, Panther and the like.

As you begin to learn something about the faction over time you begin to realize you cannot win against players better than you with the versatile units. You need an edge, something a little stronger. So you start experimenting with specialist units that are very strong but not versatile. These units will give you the edge you need, but you need experience playing the faction before you will understand when and how to use them. Examples of these units are Obers, JP, Puma, Puppchen, Flak Demag.

So in the beginning newbs will mass versatile units of only a few types, and rely on numbers to win the day. Once an expert they will prefer having a few units of all types and use them in a coordinated way for the things they are specialized for.

If you can't beat massed Volks, which competes for the worst mainline infantry in the game, you got problems.

Joseph

I would have thought you would compare stats and come to a conclusion but in the end the entire post is basically calling out players who spam volks as noobs and thosewho struggle against them are just bad. I think it's more persuasive to just post sound evidence to why they should not be nerfed rather than to attack the player base. The majority speaks out for a reason, after all.

I can get behind Tobis' suggestion. The schrecks are too difficult to handle. On the other hand, removing it completely is upsetting as well. The other suggestion would be to give them 2x STG44 instead.

This isn't even the official forum. Why are they even practicing censorship? What right states that the forum can just delete it?

Just my 2 cents on the matter.
Why try to push it into an elite unit?
Soviets were sort of based around multiple units but lacking a stronger veterancy/upgrade option.
Penals are considered dispensable infantry. If their stats are horrible, we can just compensate by their price. Penals and cons, with the prior acting more so a cheap close range unit while conscripts are more well-rounded with utility.

They're high pop, but if the player is willing to sacrifice manpower income for the early number of units, then there's some trade-off there. Plus, it gives the T1 sniper more screening options.

I'm no expert on the whole number balance, but I say why not have them at some incredibly cheap price to justify their whole "requires t1" and "still sucks" issue?

180 mp? 190 mp? 200mp? It's not like they share the superior survivability vets like the Ostruppen do.