Profile of Cannonade

I always thought these are basic rules, but obviously I'm wrong.

You only engage tankdestroyers with Tanks when;

-you have adequate infantry based at to support you,
-you have at least one other tank to flank it,
-the Tankdestroyers engine is crippled.

He hasn't disputed those "rules", and neither have I.

Dunno why you think so.

Point being simply that Blitz is largely irrelevant to this, for the reasons you yourself point out above.

Heavy Tanks should not be able to flank tank destroyers... Therefore you have Pz IV

I agree. I havent said anywhere otherwise.
As pointed out above, you need to meet those criteria first.
Blitz is largely irrelevant to them, as a TD can simply reverse to maintain range.

I never understand Why people here get butt hurt when some one questions something axis only players especially get Mega butthurt it's only a game. Jesus Christ

Its equally true of nerf allies threads too. Swings both ways.

Point here is that OP basically just wants Blitz removed, so depriving Tiger of a Vet ability, without anything to replace it.

I think thats rather harsh.

Better to look at adjustments to Blitz or a different Vet ability instead of throwing out the baby with the water in one extreme swoop.

Seems odd to me that some people aren't willing to present or consider options.

He then suggests moving Pintle to V1, as if that was a good thing, when infact it just makes it unupgradeable on an unvetted Tiger, and constitutes a double nerf. Ironically at the same time he proposes it as a buff to IS2/KV-1, but lets try to leave those out and focus on Tigers, since that is the topic.

If armor is additive with cover modifiers.
If reduced accuracy is multiplicative with cover modifiers.

Isnt armor the better option atleast vs small arms?

PwnageMachine:

You didnt actually separately suggest it. You sort of mixed it into a buff IS2/KV1 context which was more than a little misleading, and as you said irrelevant to the topic. Its actually you who brought up IS2 and KV1 buffing first. Others hadnt mentiined them yet.

On the Tiger, as per topic:

Moving MG to Vet, and removing Blitz before that, is actually a double nerf.

So again, doesnt really make sense at all.

Very strange attitude and approach to discussing you are taking, tbh.

So far, first you suggested removing a Vet ability ENTIRELY from Tiger, with no other option tp replace it..?
Then you suggested a double nerf by removing Blitz AND making Pintle un-upgradeable...?

Id suggest you instead brainstorm for an alternative Vet ability for Tiger.

Katitof: I have no idea what you think you are saying. Makes no sense to me in a literal comprehension sense at all.

Double standards argument you hold by default aside obviously.

Its you with double standards.

At the same time as your say that Tiger should for some magical reason have NO Vet ability, you also want to buff IS-2 and KV1 even harder in the same department.

That is the very definition of a dishonest double standard.

So sorry, no.
I see right through you.

I don't see why then notion of Tigers not having a vet 1 ability is such a shock, Soviet Heavy Tanks essentially don't have any vet abilities, they have capture point which is absolutely pathetic on an IS-2 or KV-1.

A possible solution would be to remove the Top MG Gunner as a munitions upgrade, but instead put it on for free upon reaching Vet1. In fact, that's probably a good idea for the IS-2 as well, capture point is deadful and not needed but losing the abiltiy to build the MG gunner would be a small nerf to it.

So now you are proposing not only removing ALL abilities from Tiger, you also simultaneously want to buff IS2 and KV1 at the same time.

This is getting really ridiculous.