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Cruzz you know two M8A1 appear in front of the Puma, and it is dead in three sec?
so that thing raping all infantry, Pak and so on is not enough?

Replay of this happening please Porygon because it takes more than 2 M8A1 shots to kill a Puma and they have a rate of fire around once every 5 seconds so please, provide proof. Otherwise you could just be making things up and they're seems to be a lot of ''anecdotal evidence'' floating around these forums.

That's the order of suppresion of a full burst. The maxim's suppression is higher for a single bullet compared to MG42 and MG34 and we know that the MGs tend to not shoot a full burst but sometimes say half a burst or something.

M1910 = 0.0175
MG34 = 0.0159
MG42 = 0.012

Full Burst.
MG34-MG42-M1910

Single Bullet
M1910-MG34-MG42

and yes the mix of high dps and high suppression per bullet is a real killer. Maybe just a SLIGHT tone down (note the CAPS). Like maybe from 0.0175 to 0.0165? It will still be better than the MG42 and MG34 if it's a half burst but not insanely OP or anything.
Going around the forums talking about this makes me feel like one of those strategist at the strategy desk.

I see, that explains why a maxim can beat an mg42 after walking into it. In that case I would agree the value should be reduced a bit to reduce that happening. Although I think suppression as a whole needs looking into.

I have no problem with maxims being changed in regards to their battlefield function. Right now they are being used as substitute core infantry because of the Soviets lack of non-doctrinal mid-long range infantry.

The problem with using cons is that by the time they get up close to their ideal damage range they will have taken quite a few casualties, this isn't a problem in early game as at this point small arms lethality is quite low but as the game progresses it gets to the point where your cons, even in green cover will be eating 1-2 lmgs as they advance.

Generally they become nothing more than punching bags and anti-tank delivery systems.

Penal troops are much the same except they scale even worse but at least they get survivability buffs with vet as opposed to cons who get a movement increase (that's what Oorah is for). I think they need to make these guys better at mid-long range and increase their price as they share too many characteristics with Cons.

Now the main issue of this thread; maxims.

First off this 4 man suggestion is being discussed in a vacuum it seems. If they are brought down to 4 men a single rifle grenade from a gren squad will most likely bring them down to 1 man and we all know with the 25% accuracy received penalty and axis long range proficiency that's goodnight for the last surviving gunner. 5 man squads could be argued and I think that is a much more fair proposition. If that was to occur then as I said the aforementioned core infantry changes would also need to happen.

Just 2 other points of contention that have come up in this thread;

Maxims suppressing quickly: looking at Coh2stats it seems the mg34 has the best suppression values while the browning has the best dps at near ranges and the maxim at far ranges. Taking into account the fact that the maxim has a smaller arc of fire I feel that it's fair.
As other's have suggested if you want to get near a maxim, use smokes as a Soviet using shock troops would against an mg42 etc.

If I've got anything wrong in regards to the mg stats let me know but from playing it seems right.

The other point was in regards to maxims winning out against mg42s after walking into their arc of fire. I agree the maxim if caught like that shouldn't beat out the mg42, I think relic should look at how suppressed team weapons work as a whole instead of, as some people suggested nerfing it's range. Often the maxim get suppressed first but then the mg42 is the one to get pinned, suppressed weapons teams should fire far less frequently than they do now and I think that would be a better solution.

I can confirm with a replay that you do indeed get resources back at a % correlating to how far along the truck is deployed.

Flak truck cost 80 fuel to place, when cancelled at about 25% the player received 60 fuel back into his resource pool.

So it seems if you are going to lose the truck due to an assault then cancelling it especially at low % completion of deployment will net you back some resources.

Not sure if anyone has noticed this or if it's a ninja patch or bug but today I wasn't able to pick up any of the enemy fuel drops an OST player was dropping on a fuel point. Any word on this?