Profile of The Silver Sage

Played the patch, I reckon Ostheer is gonna all but disappear from 1v1/2v2. And nerfing Cons, what the hell?

Yeah Cons seem very easy to gun down now, I tried the new tank hunters doctrine in a 2v2 and they were dropping like flies even before getting into a close enough range to start doing damage.

It seems there are some things that relic either are happy with or couldn't be bothered fixing (SU76, call-in dominance, penals etc.) I'll probably take a break from this game in terms of playing Soviets until they address those issues, I might try Ostheer and give ostruppen a go. As a side note how are people finding Cons, with the 9% increased received accuracy? I've also noticed their vet does not mention a survivability buff anymore, can anyone confirm this?

P.S. Cons near range from 4 to 0, doesn't that mean you will never be using near acc stats so there is no point in getting closer than medium range to the enemy (with mosins anyway)?

Seems like devs listen to Dane. Volks are the cheapest mainline infantry and scale extreamly well, dunno why they want to buff them.

Half jokingly it seem PropagandaCast is doing it's job well.... Maybe it ties in to the fact that it seems axis are the more popular faction to use, so perhaps their views are heard more often and the Devs aren't aware of this? Or perhaps it is just a very loud minority.

Let's compare Volks vs. Conscripts

Volks prefer long range combat vs. Conscripts short range. Now at the start of the fight things work as they should cons beat volks in close range while volks hold their own at long range (you should be in cover at least, that way conscripts have to move forward and expose themselves). Lets not forget Volks cost 235 vs. 240 so they aren't expensive. So as the game draws on cons start to find it harder and harder to get into close range due to increasing disparity in scaling ability. So in the end due to the amount of accuracy bonuses and accuracy received bonuses Volks become the most durable basic mainline infantry of the 4 factions. Let's also not forget they have a very good grenade.

So now people want volks damaged buffed? That why I said I would be worried in my previous post.

The_Courier: As I said, a weapon upgrade option, no matter how it compares to LMG, would still necessitate adding native ability equivalents to Grens in compensation.

Cons:
-Weapon Upgrade
-2 native abilities
-6man and cheaper reinforce

Grens:
-Weapon Upgrade

See the disparity?

Ninja: If Vet stats are changed, it would mean vanilla V2-3 Cons would outright beat vanilla V2-3 Grens, and also be very effective vs Support Teams.
I dont think touching the vet stats is a good approach to this.

Did you read my post further up in response to your questions? I'd like to hear your opinion on it.

The frontoviki would have
-An smg upgrade (close range, grens would still win at long range due to LMG)
-1 native ability with the loss of merge
-6 man with 25 per reinforce making 5x25 = 125 to get back to full strength, grens in comparison are 30x3 = 90. A more direct comparison at 50% (3/6 men left) it would be 75 mp for these upgraded cons while at 50% (2/4 men left) it would be 60 for grens.

I am looking to make them better in close range, grens would still beat them at long range.

1) How much exactly would:
-The HQ upgrade cost?
-The squad upgrade cost?

2) What exactly would the upgrade have in it?
What exact stats?
What exact weapons?
What exact abilities?

3) Removing Merge at that point, sure. But if you mean that as a kind of negative, cos theyve already had it since the very start for free anyways, so its already had value throughout the match. Know what I mean?

1) -The HQ upgrade would cost both MP and fuel and would become available to purchase after the construction of Tier 3/4. Perhaps 250 MP and 40-50 fuel but I am open to suggestions. That way if you wanted stronger conscripts right away it would slow your ability to produce armour. This would also encourage building tier 3/4 and lessen call-in spam.

-The squad upgrade would be 120 MP per squad (keep in mind the reinforcement cost of these squads would be 25 as opposed to 20 of normal cons), so in total you would be spending 360 on this ''frontoviki'' squad. Again I am open to suggestions if people feel a small (5) fuel cost should also be attached.

2) -As Steel and I discussed I believe that the conscripts should stick to being best at close range, so a pps43 would be my weapon of choice. It would cost 40 muni to purchase and perform worse than the ppsh so that the doctrinal weapon is still an advantage (ppsh does not require the HQ upgrade investment and performs better for the same muni cost). While not as good as the ppsh it would still give Cons a boost in close range combat.

- In terms of stats a slight increase to accuracy is the way I would be going, this way even though they lose some long range dps (due to losing rifles for smgs) the remaining Cons equipped with rifles would be more accurate and more consistent in dps. That way they don't become completely ineffective at ranges further than 15 etc. This would represent their experience with their weapons having fought on the front lines. As they already get a survivabilty bonus at vet 3 (at least I believe so) I don't think they would need any received acc buffs.

- No new abilities, the only change in abilities would be loss of merge. I can see your point about them having it from the start but once they lose it it shows they are more of a combat focused squad rather than being used in a primarily utility role. If you want to continue using merge then you will need a normal con squad to do this.

EDIT: Also normal cons cannot merge with frontoviki as this would lead to unintended results.