Rifles overperforming?

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 11:51 AMJae For Jett

USF had similar performance for most units during GCS2. Stuart was the same, AA HT the same, 50 cal (iirc) the same, m1 AT gun the same, sherman the same, mortar was the same, REs were nearly the same (same DPS anyway), pack howitzer was stronger, the jackson was stronger, scott was stronger, LT was stronger by virtue of the fact that it came with weapon upgrades, and the m20 was much costlier though I would say better performing.

Considering USF's performance and presence in GCS2, I'd say having "every usf unit better than their counterparts AND giving them free squads" isn't quite the issue as you paint it to be.

(Also consider that a lot of the units the above would be compared to were the same or weaker - mg42 was the same, maxim was weaker; AT guns unchanged + raketen buffed; p4 and cromwell buffed; indirect fire was the same; TDs were the same, etc.)

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 11:57 AMblvckdream

Wow. Are you really ignoring that GCS2 was before the big USF tech revamp patch?

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 11:41 AMT.R. Stormjäger

You mean making every usf unit better than their counterparts AND giving them free squads makes them overperform?

Woah

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 12:07 PMJae For Jett

Absolutely. Look at what he said again.



I'm ignoring the tech revamp because that's exactly my point. If the issue were simply about USF supposedly having each of their units better than their counterparts, and having free squads, then USF would have been fine in GCS2. Those two things were clearly not no-brainer factors that will instantly make a faction overperform. I was trying to suggest that there were other factors (maybe like some tech revamp or something) that undermine the sarcastic quip.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 11:40 AMJae For Jett

And increasing riflemen close range from 3 to 6 isn't going to make or break the early game either... Oh wait.

Editing to be more productive: The point is that even seemingly small changes can have large impacts. Sections saw a ~10% durability decrease outside of cover, and around 5% less DPS all around (due to overkill) and some people are saying they're too weak now (and keep in mind they were considered pretty strong prior...).

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 13:16 PMVipper

I am glad to see the people from balance team have noticed what I have been saying for years. Even small changes can have a big impact. Maybe now the trend to overbuf/overnerf units will stop.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 13:46 PMthedarkarmadillo

I know rifles are not nearly as independent as volks but they do cost more and also need more to be invested to scale to their full potential (they don't get it all in a lump when they build their first tech)

The small close range dps buff and game long total of 10 second delay volks hardly throws the balance for a spin. Volks will still beat them from cover and still have sturms to dissuade rifles from closing (until they build their first building and can do it themselves while also improving their long range damage slightly). It just means now in the early stages of the game if rifles with their semi auto rifles get close without taking too much fire they will win.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 13:16 PMVipper

I am glad to see the people from balance team have noticed what I have been saying for years. Even small changes can have a big impact. Maybe now the trend to overbuf/overnerf units will stop.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 11:46 AMblvckdream

Another thing I personally don't get is the mine laying speed. Why can Rifles lay mines as fast as pioneers/engineers now?

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 18:02 PMLeo251

Why you are always comparing RM vs Volks?
What about RM vs Grens?
RM vs Grens prepatch difference was big, but now in this patch is even worst. They absolute rape Grens.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:03 PMthedarkarmadillo

They are counter parts volks and rifles.
Plus it's unfortunately the way it is. Remember volks got stgs because with a side tech and a boat lod of munitions rifles would massacre volks with little regard for the fact that now volks mulch cons.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 20:11 PMgbem

Conscripts just need some of their vet 1/3 abilities transferred to vet 0... id reduce the vet 1 and 3 RA by half and put it to vet 0 for example...