State of the Kingtiger

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 12:55 PMKatitof

So use adequate unit?
Why are you ignoring top tier TD for the faction and bring up mid tier TD against a top tier unit?

Do you also complain about Easy8 sherman armor after trying to use Puma against it?

JP4 is not supposed to fight heavies.
That's why panther exists.

You are comparing inadequate unit to prove a point that doesn't exist outside of your head.

And no, panther doesn't bounce often on ISU, even if you stay at max range for whatever mad reason, majority of shots pen it.

Also, if you want to bitch about ISU, make a thread about ISU.
Stop derailing this one.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 13:23 PMullumulu

So..a panther at far range (has only 50 range) must come near to a ISU wich has range 70 ..with a range accur modifier from 0.35 and with a penetration chance from 65%. and than u need 7 penetration to kill this beast...good luck.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 13:13 PMSander93

The MGs do not really have anything to do with the comparison, other than heavily influencing the tests you did. The KT's MG is fine.


The comparison should be about AOE, because that is the main damage dealer in the mid to late game versus vetted (low target size) squads with yellow cover abundantly available (at which point MG DPS is reduced significantly), in real game scenarios where squads are clumped up more often than not.

And against more clumped up squads, the new King Tiger's AOE is undeniably better at dealing consistent and high damage than the Panzer IV's. See Lago's comparison chart with the KT AOE vs the HE Sherman's and imagine the P4J AOE being much worse than the HE Sherman's.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 17:14 PMblvckdream

IMO Su85 and Jackson should lose the extra pen they get with vet so FF and the others are all on the same (fair) level. Right now the vet 2 pen of Jackson and Su85 are just too crazy for effective Axis heavy tank usage. Jackson HVAP rounds can stay considering they increase reload.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 22:07 PMelchino7

What would you suggest to replace it for? Reload would made it even stronger (as it was before).

Current alternatives:
-30% reload, -30% scatter
+30% armour, -10% reload
-20% reload, +20% speed, +20% rotation speed, +20% ac/de-celeration
-+10% armour, +25% HP, +35% sight range
+20% speed, +20% rotation speed, -20% reload
-25% reload, Weapon rotation+ 35%

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 22:07 PMelchino7

What would you suggest to replace it for? Reload would made it even stronger (as it was before).

Current alternatives:
-30% reload, -30% scatter
+30% armour, -10% reload
-20% reload, +20% speed, +20% rotation speed, +20% ac/de-celeration
-+10% armour, +25% HP, +35% sight range
+20% speed, +20% rotation speed, -20% reload
-25% reload, Weapon rotation+ 35%

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 16:46 PMShadowLinkX37

Can you all guess what stance I'm going to take on this topic?

While the KT is no longer piss poor IMO, it is still surprising that in tightropes tests the Tiger 1 was substantially better. I expect the IS2 and pershing are to be on par with the Tiger 1 as well. So what I don't understand is why a more expensive slower unit, but with more armor and HP has to have a gun that is even worse than its heavy counterparts.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 22:20 PMNorthFireZ

Anyone one did any testing with Spearhead yet?

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 22:38 PMHon3ynuts

I've used it in game a bit. Makes it harder to get out of trouble with the KT since it replaces blitz, but its basically a free way to make the most out of 45 range having more vision which is nice.

I think it gives 50 vision b/c you can see farther than you can shoot.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 23:51 PMShadowLinkX37

KT range is 50 (or it should be unless it was nerfed and I missed it).