Tiger: vet0 45 range 300 armor 1040 HP vet3 50 range 300 armor 1040 HP
IS2: vet0 40 range 375 armor 1040 HP vet3 50 range 375 armor 1040 HP
Makes sense so far, more durable tank has lower range which becomes even at max vet.
Pershing: vet0 45 range 270 armor 960 HP vet3 45 range 270 armor 960 HP
What the fuck? Makes sense for pershing to be the most squishy because of its gun but it gets no survivability or range bonuses with vet, how is it supposed to work against 300 armor 1040 HP 50 range tigers?
Not to mention now pershing will lose its squad wipe potential in exchange for "consistent damage" which may be buff to is2 and tiger but its a clear nerf to pershing as wiping squads was its only advantage. On top of massive nerf to vet3 for no reason.
How is pershing supposed to work in late game when it got hit with heavy nerfs in recent patch with little compensation (HP buff which doesnt even make it equal with other heavies)?
Heavy tanks range
17 Aug 2019, 14:26 PM
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17 Aug 2019, 14:37 PM
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U forgot speed and main gun stats
Btw u forgot KT but I can guess why
Btw u forgot KT but I can guess why
katitof-2018
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17 Aug 2019, 14:42 PM
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One should also take into account the range of stock TDs that can actually penetrate these vehicles (and cost efficiency).
17 Aug 2019, 15:10 PM
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U forgot speed and main gun stats
Btw u forgot KT but I can guess why
KT: vet0 45 range 375 armor 1280 HP vet3 45 range 375 armor 1280 HP
I dont know what were you guessing, KT is the most durable heavy tank in the game and has the same range as pershing, the least durable heavy tank in the game.
17 Aug 2019, 15:20 PM
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There are no 60 range turreted TDs behind a tiger
#stalinwept
17 Aug 2019, 15:23 PM
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There are only 50 range panthers able to solo pershing.
17 Aug 2019, 15:24 PM
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There are only 50 range panthers able to solo pershing.
Which if you look closely you'll see that that's 50 not 60 and 6 is bigger than 5
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17 Aug 2019, 15:28 PM
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Which if you look closely you'll see that that's 50 not 60 and 6 is bigger than 5
+1 xDDD
17 Aug 2019, 15:38 PM
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for how much ?
KT: vet0 45 range 375 armor 1280 HP vet3 45 range 375 armor 1280 HP
I dont know what were you guessing, KT is the most durable heavy tank in the game and has the same range as pershing, the least durable heavy tank in the game.
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17 Aug 2019, 16:10 PM
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There are only 50 range panthers able to solo pershing.
Pershing: 270 armor, 960HP (post patch)
Panther 260 armor, 960HP (post patch)
I'm sorry? who can solo who now?
17 Aug 2019, 16:29 PM
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Pershing: 270 armor, 960HP (post patch)
Panther 260 armor, 960HP (post patch)
I'm sorry? who can solo who now?
Still panther can solo pershing. Not to mention more range.
17 Aug 2019, 16:30 PM
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Which if you look closely you'll see that that's 50 not 60 and 6 is bigger than 5
So now THE ONLY thing that matters is range? I guess that just proves my point. Increase pershing range with vet.
17 Aug 2019, 16:37 PM
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Still panther can solo pershing. Not to mention more range.
Sure when we ignore, moving accuracy penalty, mobility, vet, ability to engage infantry. yes the panther will win.
17 Aug 2019, 16:39 PM
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Sure when we ignore ability to engage infantry
Didnt know panther is an infantry squad. You sure you installed the right patch?
17 Aug 2019, 16:46 PM
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So now THE ONLY thing that matters is range? I guess that just proves my point. Increase pershing range with vet.
NO, YOU are the one that is bitching about 5 range and then pretending that 10 doesn't matter. 5 is negligible, 10is enough to play around.
Additionally YOU are the one that is pretending that range is the only thing that matters and ignoring the power the Pershing brings to bare. Pershing is the only heavy tank that can, for munitions, increase its ROF... It has lots of fantastic traits, brawling isn't one...
#stalinwept
17 Aug 2019, 16:49 PM
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Didnt know panther is an infantry squad. You sure you installed the right patch?
?? "engage infantry" means can attack infantry. Not be an infantry squad.
17 Aug 2019, 16:53 PM
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NO, YOU are the one that is bitching about 5 range and then pretending that 10 doesn't matter. 5 is negligible, 10is enough to play around.
You came to this thread to derail it. I was comparing 3 similar heavy tanks and what they bring to the table. You and the other axis bois started discussion about kingtiger and jackson, 2 completly different units.
Additionally YOU are the one that is pretending that range is the only thing that matters and ignoring the power the Pershing brings to bare. Pershing is the only heavy tank that can, for munitions, increase its ROF... It has lots of fantastic traits, brawling isn't one...
Im trying to find what makes pershing worth 230 fuel after recent nerfs compared to other similar heavy tanks with the same price. I can clearly see tiger and is2 being worth 230 fuel, pershing? Not so much.
And you really count doctrinal overpriced ability as pershing strenght? Ok what about:
Tiger is the only heavy that can use self smoke.
Tiger is the only heavy that can make infantry sprint.
17 Aug 2019, 16:54 PM
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On top of massive nerf to vet3 for no reason
An absolute "massive" nerf from -50% reload to -30% reload. You see any other tank in the game that has -50% reload with vet? Quite ironic to advocate buffing its range to make it the same as other heavy tanks while simultaneously complaining that the veterancy reload bonus is now... the same as other heavy tanks.
The reload bonus was out of place and excessive, especially because Combined Arms with -30% reload (and +5 range btw) for vehicles is in the same doctrine, and also especially now that it's getting more reliable AOE and more durability.
17 Aug 2019, 16:59 PM
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An absolute "massive" nerf from -50% reload to -30% reload. You see any other tank in the game that has -50% reload with vet? Quite ironic to advocate to buff its range to make it the same as other heavy tanks while simultaneously complaining that the veterancy reload bonus is now... the same as other heavy tanks.
The reload bonus was excessive, especially because Combined Arms with -30% reload for vehicles is in the same doctrine, and even more especially now that it's getting more reliable AOE.
I didnt complain about its range when it had 50% reload. Im complaining now because pershing lost its 50% reload and got nothing in exchange. Before you try to bring HP argument: that was in exchange for armor.
Was pershing too strong before? Even though tiger and is2 appear in tournaments and automatch way more?
Your combined arms argument makes no sense. Its doctrinal ability, its one of the strenghts of that doctrine. IS2 gets skill planes support, tiger gets skill planes and smoke and other shit. If you think heavy cav is too strong of a doctrine maybe remove combined arms and give skill planes in its place? P47 loiter would be nice (nobody actualy playing usf would complain).
Reliable AOE is NERF to pershing as it was wipe mashine before. Its buff to other heavies and nerf to pershing.
17 Aug 2019, 17:02 PM
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You came to this thread to derail it. I was comparing 3 similar heavy tanks and what they bring to the table. You and the other axis bois started discussion about kingtiger and jackson, 2 completly different units.
Im trying to find what makes pershing worth 230 fuel after recent nerfs compared to other similar heavy tanks with the same price. I can clearly see tiger and is2 being worth 230 fuel, pershing? Not so much.
And you really count doctrinal overpriced ability as pershing strenght? Ok what about:
Tiger is the only heavy that can use self smoke.
Tiger is the only heavy that can make infantry sprint.
I didn't come in here to derail the thread, but point out that you are looking at units in a vacuum that shouldn't be in a vacuum. The game is meant to be played with combined arms. The Pershing brings above average AI punch at the cost of increased risk while using it. The lower range is more than made up by the incrediblely cost effective Jackson because they are intended to be used together.
. If y mou are looking for a reason to build the Pershing perhaps you can find Aanalternative that is as mobile and durable and ferocious within the usf roster. It's the biggest and baddest tank the usf can field THATS the reason to build it.
ADDITIONALLY the tiger having bonuses in doctrines =/= the Pershing bonuses in doctrines because it's possible to have the tiger without those bonuses while it's impossible to have the Pershing without the combined arms bonus being available. Every Pershing you have will have the ability to buff its ROF at the cost of munitions and thus is has to be taken into account.
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