OKW September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 10:38 AMLago

Please don't lock the Flame Hetzer behind Panzer Authorization.

The earlier timing had the potential to make Feuersturm a viable commander.

Unlike the Ostwind (which definitely should stay behind Panzer Authorization no matter what) the Flame Hetzer has no AT capabilities at all. All three opposing factions have an AT light vehicle that can fight it when it hits the field.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 12:00 PMaddvaluejack

Hetzer has smaller target size and better armor than Ostwind. We need nerf its armor if we move this unit out of Panzer Authorization lock.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 11:59 AMKatitof

Plus, have you all people complaining about Hetzer have even used it in last 12 months? Its perfectly fine for performance where it is, it doesn't matter it can't damage vehicles, that's how AI units work, it can easily 1v1 ATG and will murder all infantry that isn't supported by a med tank at least.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 12:05 PMLago

We would if it did more than zero damage to light vehicles.

Stuart versus Flame Hetzer, Flame Hetzer loses.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 12:11 PMaddvaluejack

Since AEC and Stuart could not penetrate Hetzer from distance, they need to dive in which will put them in the range of Volks' snare.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 12:05 PMLago

The Flame Hetzer's a good unit, but its position in the tech tree means it's rarely a viable pick. By the time you can build it you need your own medium tanks out.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 13:21 PMSander93

I disagree, I use the Hetzer rush a lot in 3v3s and it has really good shock value even at SPHQ being 120 fuel. It's easy to compensate its lack of AT by building 2 Raketens in preparation. Allies can't do much about it without medium tanks as it quite easily kills ATGs and AT infantry, and Allied lights (except SU-76, but who builds SU-76 as their first T3 unit) can't really touch it when there's Volks and Raketens around. SPHQ for 80 fuel was really pushing its timing to the max already. At 60 fuel I believe it would come too soon.

It might not be as good in 1v1s with slower resources, but it seems like it's not possible to fix it for that mode without making it broken in team games.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2019, 13:48 PMVipper

Simply use Cp requirements in all call in vehicles (or only is super heavies.)

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2019, 19:38 PMSander93

The Hetzer on live is fine at 120 fuel, it's a really good unit to rush.
The new veterancy requirements will help it perform beyond its initial shock window, because it gets good veterancy bonuses.

Putting it at 80 fuel was really pushing its shock power, but ultimately we felt that Obers needed to come a little bit sooner and that it wasn't worth putting the Schwerer at 80 fuel just for the Hetzer, that people would maybe use in 1/10-1/20 matches, compared to Obers that might be used almost every match now.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 14:16 PMRutra5214

As we are talking about OKW and KT changes, can I ask for reduce MG price for KT? Every other OKW tank has it for 50 munis , don't get why KT need to buy for 20 munis more.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 14:16 PMRutra5214

As we are talking about OKW and KT changes, can I ask for reduce MG price for KT? Every other OKW tank has it for 50 munis , don't get why KT need to buy for 20 munis more.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 14:23 PMKatitof

Because its a stronger MG.

Its slightly weaker up to range 5, but if you have infantry at that range to your KT, it means you fucked up and are about to kiss AT satchel and from range 5 and up, its stronger.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 14:55 PMaddvaluejack

KT's MG could suppress infantry while "Spearhead Mode" is active.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 05:53 AMSpaceCow

CP + Tech is working for heavy tanks. Why not for other vehicle callins? (Like Hetzer or Mobile Defense Puma)

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 15:44 PMdistrofio

The shock aspect of those units (hetzet, OST puma, S76) was their main attribute. This could be used as a quick reaction unit.
The call in design is just a way to add variety, it sure had some exploits because it articulates the tech system.

Its just a way to keep things simple, to have no tech bound call-ins, otherwise all the affected units should have a considerable MP cost discount to make up their new added tech investment costs.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 15:01 PMVipper

That information is inaccurate.

OKW PzIV HMG is superior up to range 30

PzIV range 0/30 15.187/5.462
KT range 0/30 13.542/5.09

(source cruzz)

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2019, 19:41 PMKatitof

Its funny, because my source was this:
https://coh2db.com/stats/
Which was made by cruzz as far as I'm aware.